SWAT police

[bigbeeducker]

RDB, please dont take this personally..., but if ANYONE bust down my door in the middle of the nite, you you can bet your booty i'm not gona be worried if you live or die!!, in fact, i'm gona do my best to make damn sure whoever it is dies.

Amen. A simple google search will reveal a plethora of raids executed on a wrong address, or at a time when bad guy was not at home. Come in my house unannounced in the middle of the night, thats fine. I'm as well armed as anybody, and until I know who you are, we gonna fight it out and let God make the decisions.

[greenheadgrimreaper]

Walk a mile in a man's shoes before you judge him. Getting shot at is no fun, no fun at all. I speak from experience. SRT was activated and the suspect came out alive and went to treatment because he/she was considered 'mental". We did our job and nobody was hurt but I was still shot at by a mental suspect, a person who didn't care whether I lived or died. I'm pretty sure those of you that are saying this should have happened, they should of handled it this way, they could have done this would surely would feel differently if the lead was flying in your direction.

SWAT or SRT are not trained and instilled to kill or harm anybody but they are trained to defend themselves and the lives of the innocent should the need arise. Criminals, mental patients and nearly anybody else have access to guns whether purchased legally or not. The smart criminals do their homework and train at ways to outsmart law enforcement just as law enforcement trains to do their job.

Get shot at and I'm certain you will have a different attitude.

If I get my door kicked in, I will have a different attitude...probably the same attitude as getting shot at...probably because I am pretty sure I am about to get shot at. So...walk a mile in those shoes and...judge not.

I think you miss the point. I think the issue is not with any single officer doing his job, the issue is with the "mass" of human beings doing it 80,000 times in a short time period. It's uncomfortably common. Invasive.

Personally, if a fellow has a homestead and he wants to do something that will not injure me or any other individual on his or my homestead, it is none of the damned governments business what goes on. If pot leads to crack use then so be it. As long as he ain't hurting anyone or dealing with the matter in question off of his property, then it's NOT THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. The minute it endangers or leaves his homestead, then it's hell or high water, stick it to him boys.

If a fellow wants to grow some pot on his property for his own use that is a matter that is of no concern to any of us. As long as he doesn't smoke it and drive, it's his own damned business.

And anyone who thinks otherwise, I personally believe, is on another level of narcissism that I cannot fully comprehend. Because I ask the person: If he is not hurting or endangering anyone or anything, then just what in the HELL business is it of yours? What?

Nowadays we Americans want to have our cake and eat it too. We don't want to know the color of the fellows bed sheets, but he damned well better not be drinking any homemade whiskey before he gets in them...we want to know about that.

The cop is doing what he is told and then trained to do. He is not the problem. The problem is that after so long, 80,000 home raids have to come mighty close in the game of statistics to glancing mighty close to my house. Especially if I shoot a round of skeet like I did today- somebody is bound to call me in on a "bad" tip (that's made up crap, like my skeet range score).

Couple the sheer magnitude of how often this is happening with the other failings of the government like the IRS, the president, etc... and you'll see why it just leaves a bad taste in the average citizen's mouth. A mouth that already has a taste similar to that of cat c hit.

It also explains why when you do find those individuals who work for we the people like we the people envision that they should, that they are as fine as an individual as you will ever run across. It shows the "rock and a hard place" that citizens are now in. We want to believe, but it's a lost cause. Even though we know "x" cop is a fine fellow. Because as most of us know, cops are one of the few public servant jobs that still have the respect of the people- as they should.

Invasive. That word comes to mind.

[MrGoodtime]

Very well said Greenhead^^^^^^^

[chs36]

Staked out and raided a fawn !!! This is a real seat team !! LOL


http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/to ... ggles.html

[SNOT]

Read this article about a fawn that was put down.....reminded me of this thread....nine heavily armed DNR agents and four deputy sheriffs were needed to take this fawn down??


"A family and animal shelter in Wisconsin is raising questions about the response of the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources to a fawn being dropped off at the shelter. An Illinois family found the fawn and brought it to the the Society of St. Francis shelter a couple weeks ago. The shelter planned to take the fawn named Giggles to a wildlife shelter. However, the DNR learned of the plan and, according to the shelter, raided the facility and killed the fawn.

The shelter said that nine heavily armed DNR agents and four deputy sheriffs stormed their facility and searched for the baby deer. To the surprise of the shelter, they tranquilized the deer and threw it into a body bag. When shelter employee Ray Schulze objected as it was carried out on a shoulder, the DNR reportedly said that it was the policy of the DNR to kill the animal. The deer was taken off sight and euthanized. Somehow that was much better than allowing the shelter to take the deer to a wildlife shelter.

The DNR explained that it was illegal to possess a wild animal because they are dangerous. That would explain the 12 heavily armed men. It is something like Bambi Meets Rambo.

What is curious is that all wildlife shelters “possess” wildlife. The Illinois shelter appears to have agreed to take the fawn, which would have been taken out of the state. Rather than view this as a transit rather than possession, the state decided to kill the animal to protect it and the public. There would seem a logical distinction to be drawn between a citizen and a shelter. If the DNR cannot find a little wiggle room for the next Giggles, then the law should be changed to add a modicum of logic and mercy to Wisconsin policies."

[lipsplitter39654]

yeah its all good what guy does in his home like smoke and grow pot....

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he gets hooked on crack and then one day while you are away working 12 hours this guy that started off growing pot at his home breaks in your house and steals all of your guns and other belongings.

let that happen to you and then tell me its ok to do any thing you want at YOUR house

So if we can all do anything we want at our house at what point do we draw the line?

i mean what laws are acceptable to have, enforce, break, fail to enforce etc etc

[420 racin]

Pot is not the problem, You don;t see pot heads out there killing and robbing to get more weed. Pot is not a "gateway" drug..how many people do you know that have smoked weed and not become hooked on crack and begun living a life of crime and despair only to end up homeless and on the system and out robbing Lipsplitter while he works 12 hours? I would venture to guess the majority of this board has smoked weed. The reason folks get hooked on crack and all that jazz and become the low lifes etc... etc... do so mainly because they have no education or desire to do anything better with their life, not cause they smoked weed. The thread got off topic with the weed thing, but nonetheless the SWAT police raid things going on are way to excessive and have no place in our society and has gone too far. I agree wiht greenheadgrimreaper.
You ask where do we draw the line.... when "he" starts robbing your house and stealing your guns you can draw the line. Until then he really hasn't done anything wrong other than broke a law, a non-violent law, some politician made up along time ago.

[greenheadgrimreaper]

yeah its all good what guy does in his home like smoke and grow pot....

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he gets hooked on crack and then one day while you are away working 12 hours this guy that started off growing pot at his home breaks in your house and steals all of your guns and other belongings.

let that happen to you and then tell me its ok to do any thing you want at YOUR house

So if we can all do anything we want at our house at what point do we draw the line?

i mean what laws are acceptable to have, enforce, break, fail to enforce etc etc

It's a simple answer to a simple question: if said crack head breaks in and steals then he goes to jail. He shouldn't be held as the example for all others who want to do as they please in private. PROVIDING they hurt or harm or do not affect or endanger anyone who is on or adjacent to the property. If "x" citizen can do illicit drugs on his property while harming no one person directly then he is not breaking a law, in the mind of a libertarian.


However, going to such an extreme as discussing this concept in terms of crackhead diminishes my argument and plays into the trap. I simply believe (and even more so in the last 5 years) that it is a matter of fact that my life, on my property, should not be micromanaged by politicians. It doesn't have to go to the extreme of wondering what happens when crack heads begin stealing to understand where I and those like me come from in our thinking.

As long as a fellow is keeping honest to goodness to himself, I don't care to know what business he is up to.

Of course, in the age of Facebook and people constantly being obsessed with other people, this concept of "minding your own" is a lost one. Hence, our country's headed-for-hell status.

My opinion, doesn't mean it's right, but its where I stand.

[jacksbuddy]

yeah its all good what guy does in his home like smoke and grow pot....

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he gets hooked on crack and then one day while you are away working 12 hours this guy that started off growing pot at his home breaks in your house and steals all of your guns and other belongings.

let that happen to you and then tell me its ok to do any thing you want at YOUR house

So if we can all do anything we want at our house at what point do we draw the line?

i mean what laws are acceptable to have, enforce, break, fail to enforce etc etc

Umm, you missed the point. And with greenheadgrimreaper's post, we got off topic. ghgr is right. If you are at your home, minding your own business, there should be no need for SWAT to come barge down your door in the middle of the hight, guns a blazin', just because you are still reading "The Old Man And The Sea" (see my earlier post).

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If you're a Theodore Kazinski kind of guy, making bombs and sending them to the library because they mailed you a notice about said overdue library book, then NOW you are committing a valid crime that may justify a SWAT team intrusion. But, that justification should come from bona fide law enforcement investigation, not some fiscal officer who simply wants to show off his new toys.

[MemphisStockBroker]

When does duck season start ??

[RDB]

Please don't put good honest officers in the same class as dishonest officers. There are both in this profession, fortunately more in the honest field than the dishonest field.

There is no grey area in what's legal or what's not legal. Period. If I were to run an operation on a home where a search warrant was obtained then I can assure you that I would read the facts and circumstances in the warrant from one end to the other to assure that everything was on the up and up with the operation. Are there officers or departments that would bend the rules to go forth with the warrant... Yes. Are there officers that would not... Yes. There are dishonest people in EVERY facet of society in and in EVERY facet of government....Same goes for honest people.

When an officer testifies in court he must testify to the truth. If an officer lies on the stand then he/she has to tell another lie to cover that lie and so forth and so on. It's not worth my career or my integrity to fabricate a lie just so I can send a team in to bust down a door.

If a person is NOT breaking the law then that person has no reason whatsoever to worry about the law to come looking for him/her. If you're growing, smoking, or selling drugs and your door is kicked in in the middle of the night with lights and sirens blazing then you know beyond a shadow of a doubt who is coming for you. If you're smart/dumb enough to break the law in this manner then you're smart enough to know when Sheriff John Brown comes through your front door you know what he is there for and who is after.

Officers wear masks in raids because most of the time these are the undercover officers who have purchased drugs, etc, from the suspected criminal and showing their identity would jeopardize any future cases as well as the undercover officer. It's funny when people always assume things without knowing all the facts.

Possession of less than 30 grams of marijuana is a misdemeanor in the State of Mississippi. Stealing a $249 Weed Eater from under your carport or out of the back of your truck is misdemeanor in the State of Mississippi. Both are illegal. If we shouldn't worry about the pot possessors then we shouldn't worry about the petit larceny thieves either, right? No.. both are illegal and are punishable under Ms. Code.

There are dishonest folks in law enforcement, insurance sales, car sales, law practice, medical field, retail field, real estate field, investment field, etc, etc, etc..... If you fall in either of these categories then you know someone in your particular profession that is dishonest or has broken the law. Sweep your own doorstep before you try sweeping mine.

[MrGoodtime]

"If a person is NOT breaking the law then that person has no reason whatsoever to worry about the law to come looking for him/her"
BS, they have been proven to kick in inocent peoples doors and shoot them!! Even if it was wrong info. that led to it happening, it was still inocent people who had done nothing wrong.

[Wingman]

I'm just glad this didn't turn into a cop bashing thread.

[three11]

Possession of less than 30 grams of marijuana is a misdemeanor in the State of Mississippi. Stealing a $249 Weed Eater from under your carport or out of the back of your truck is misdemeanor in the State of Mississippi. Both are illegal. If we shouldn't worry about the pot possessors then we shouldn't worry about the petit larceny thieves either, right? No.. both are illegal and are punishable under Ms. Code.

I don't think that you are comparing apples to apples. I don't have a dog in this hunt, because I don't steal or smoke weed. However, I see a BIG difference in somebody breaking into a person's garage and stealing their stuff vs. some old hippie that smokes a doobie every once in a while. I guess if you go by the letter of the law, it should be the same thing, but common sense says it's not. Just because some fat cat in the capital greased the right pockets and got a bill passed doesn't mean that it's a good law and shouldn't be changed. You have to have a stinkin license to cut hair in this state!! If Leroy has $5, and gives it to his neighbor Tyrone to cut his hair...that's illegal and punishable under MS Code too. People have been getting haircuts since the beginning of time. Why now does the State care if someone has a barbers license?? Answer: $$$$. If we as a country don't start standing up for what is right, Big Government is going to take over every facet of our lives.

[LODI QUACKER]

I'm just glad this didn't turn into a cop bashing thread.

Well, it really hasnt. What you should ask yourself is WHY does the majority of the population not trust the govt or LEO's? People only get pushed into a corner so far before they say enough is enough. Why do people feel the way they do?????