Attempted break in last night......

[claimsadj]

Op, give me a break. You talk big but I doubt you are stupid enough to carry any of this bs out. If you indeed are, wow. Give em a bullet for me.

[medic11]

I should just ask the operators of these "predators" that are whacking people everyday now to veer over ya'lls way.....I tell you what....seeing these things come in....they are BIG and very quiet compared to any other plane....Rags don't stand a chance.....You could get Jackson in order real quick with a couple of them flying over.....Shoot on site.....

Air Force drone pilots, flying a predator over Afghanistan from their plush office chair in Florida...those guys had the nerve to ask for combat pay and even a few PTSD claims

[1010]

I have read about them making noise like that (kicking door or doorbell) and hide to see if anybody comes.. Then go break in if nobody comes.

Could have been kids, door bell ditching is what some kids call it. They just ring the door bell and run hide. DUMB!!

I hope you find out who did that,, and it turns out to be kids just playing aound.. Tuff not knowing if you're a target.. I guess we all are tho..

Are you getting any strange calls on home phone..

+1 on a dog.

[Seymore]

I really troubles me when I hear all the bravado about shooting someone for something other than life or the protection of life. I consider life to be in danger when the guy in in the house, not in the garage or banging on the front door. Doesn't mean I'm not going to get my gun and have it ready, it just means I'm not going all Rambo out the door with the idea I'm going to shoot whoever the person in my yard or garage may be.

I think back to some of the news comments and opinions given during the Zimmerman trial. Many, many comments were made about how people with a gun act as if they are in the wild west. Those comments further stated the those who have a gun for protection are more likely to get into a situation where the use of a gun would, at least for that brief moment, would be thought justified. No empirical data was given to support this view. No studies cited or anything that could refute such an accusation. That said I would submit that talk about how a person is going to shoot someone else for being in their yard or garage adds fuel to that school of thought that was pushed by liberals. There are many, many anti-gun groups that want to disarm you and they are starting to get well funded from sources like the billionaire New York mayor. These groups have computer programs than troll the net just looking for comments that adds fuel to their agenda. So I would think saying things like that really does more harm that good.

Another thought to consider is how each of us describes responsibility. To me there are many, many factors that go into that definition and protection is certainly up there. Other attributes that contribute to responsibility is being there for your family. If you shoot somebody for no more than cutting the corner I can assure you will be charged and you will stand trial. You have taken away your ability to be with your family and provide for them because your time and money is now being used to defend yourself in court. If you are convicted, and you will be either convicted or plead to get a lesser sentence, for shooting someone who just cut the corner you will be robbing your family of you presence and all the things your presence means and provides to your family while you sit in prison.

Diatribe over. Carry on.

[Anatidae]

Parents these days have no control or either don't care.

It seems that way at times.......but there ARE some parents that have done a good job providing a good foundation. I asked myself this question when I read the quote - more from an attitude stance........do we not (as adults) share a certain amount of responsibility (exercising both self 'control' and 'caring/compassion') to help shape the character of kids who we consider 'trouble'......or were otherwise less fortunate than we were, to have parents that have been successful at their job of teaching kids right from wrong and respect for others?

Seymore touched on it........'responsibility'. I'm not singling Jim out, here.......I understand his apparent anger.

[GreenheadJim]

Parents these days have no control or either don't care.

It seems that way at times.......but there ARE some parents that have done a good job providing a good foundation. I asked myself this question when I read the quote - more from an attitude stance........do we not (as adults) share a certain amount of responsibility (exercising both self 'control' and 'caring/compassion') to help shape the character of kids who we consider 'trouble'......or were otherwise less fortunate than we were, to have parents that have been successful at their job of teaching kids right from wrong and respect for others?

Seymore touched on it........'responsibility'. I'm not singling Jim out, here.......I understand his apparent anger.

Maybe I went too far Anatidae in saying that I would shoot anyone that was trespassing in my yard. I would do everything I could to chew there tails out and contact their parents if it were a child. I have a wife at home that has not been the same since we lost our son. She does not sleep very well and is very nervous and on edge at all times. What happened to us the other night, was totally uncalled for and they were very lucky that she didn't shoot them. I don't want to see anyone get hurt, but that's what's going to happen if that kind of mess keeps going on.

[cwink]

I really troubles me when I hear all the bravado about shooting someone for something other than life or the protection of life. I consider life to be in danger when the guy in in the house, not in the garage or banging on the front door. Doesn't mean I'm not going to get my gun and have it ready, it just means I'm not going all Rambo out the door with the idea I'm going to shoot whoever the person in my yard or garage may be.

I think back to some of the news comments and opinions given during the Zimmerman trial. Many, many comments were made about how people with a gun act as if they are in the wild west. Those comments further stated the those who have a gun for protection are more likely to get into a situation where the use of a gun would, at least for that brief moment, would be thought justified. No empirical data was given to support this view. No studies cited or anything that could refute such an accusation. That said I would submit that talk about how a person is going to shoot someone else for being in their yard or garage adds fuel to that school of thought that was pushed by liberals. There are many, many anti-gun groups that want to disarm you and they are starting to get well funded from sources like the billionaire New York mayor. These groups have computer programs than troll the net just looking for comments that adds fuel to their agenda. So I would think saying things like that really does more harm that good.

Another thought to consider is how each of us describes responsibility. To me there are many, many factors that go into that definition and protection is certainly up there. Other attributes that contribute to responsibility is being there for your family. If you shoot somebody for no more than cutting the corner I can assure you will be charged and you will stand trial. You have taken away your ability to be with your family and provide for them because your time and money is now being used to defend yourself in court. If you are convicted, and you will be either convicted or plead to get a lesser sentence, for shooting someone who just cut the corner you will be robbing your family of you presence and all the things your presence means and provides to your family while you sit in prison.

Diatribe over. Carry on.

+1.. I talk about this in my classes.. We can't act like blood thirsty rednecks, because that is how the anti gun people see us and we just give them more ammo when something bad happens.. We also say that YOU are responsible for EVERY SHOT. If you miss and injure someone else, if you shoot the wrong person by mistake or send a bullet into your neighbors house because you missed that bad guy as he was running out the front door.. Just because you have the right to shoot someone does not mean you should. A gun is a TOOL OF LAST RESORT to be used when your life or the life of your family is in imminent danger.

Guys, I encourage every one of you to get training.. I have had former military, and former law enforcement folks come through my class because they wanted to get the IC sticker.. And I will tell you this, some of them make me WAY more nervous on the range than everyday citizens...And most will come back and tell me that they were shocked at how much they didn't know..

[tombstone]

Instead of all you super smart, level headed, people judging a man who has had a problem and lives daily with the loss of a child, maybe you could offer some encouragement or wisdom instead of telling him how he should do it and how foolish he is.

Ask some people who were victims of home invasions if they react to "events" differently now. Split seconds are what we are dealing with in cases like this.

Now, I would at least put up some trail camera's and keep the doors locked.

I swear some of you people worry more about getting sued than self preservation. I bet your lawyers number is ahead of your wife's on your favorites list on your Iphone.

[skywalker]

Where someone lives is a choice. If you dont feel safe...move.

[cwink]

Parents these days have no control or either don't care.

It seems that way at times.......but there ARE some parents that have done a good job providing a good foundation. I asked myself this question when I read the quote - more from an attitude stance........do we not (as adults) share a certain amount of responsibility (exercising both self 'control' and 'caring/compassion') to help shape the character of kids who we consider 'trouble'......or were otherwise less fortunate than we were, to have parents that have been successful at their job of teaching kids right from wrong and respect for others?

Seymore touched on it........'responsibility'. I'm not singling Jim out, here.......I understand his apparent anger.

Maybe I went too far Anatidae in saying that I would shoot anyone that was trespassing in my yard. I would do everything I could to chew there tails out and contact their parents if it were a child. I have a wife at home that has not been the same since we lost our son. She does not sleep very well and is very nervous and on edge at all times. What happened to us the other night, was totally uncalled for and they were very lucky that she didn't shoot them. I don't want to see anyone get hurt, but that's what's going to happen if that kind of mess keeps going on.

GHJ. We too have lost a son and I know how much it changes your life and how it affects your wife and others in your family. There is nothing I wouldn't do to protect the life of my wife and other 2 sons.. The point we are trying to make is that when confronted with these situations it is important to realize that your family needs you to be there for them more than ever. And you don't want to do something that would have you end up in jail or worse..

[Anatidae]

Maybe I went too far Anatidae in saying that I would shoot anyone that was trespassing in my yard.

Jim, you don't owe me anything.....least of all an explanation. But I DO appreciate your response. I am also relieved that you seem to have modified your stance from the original post.

I would do everything I could to chew there tails out and contact their parents if it were a child. I have a wife at home that has not been the same since we lost our son. She does not sleep very well and is very nervous and on edge at all times. What happened to us the other night, was totally uncalled for and they were very lucky that she didn't shoot them. I don't want to see anyone get hurt..........

I don't either - thus the reason I chose to become 'involved'. I also understand the rest of your quote and have chosen to repond to that in a Private Message.

God Bless you

[peewee]

I swear some of you people worry more about getting sued than self preservation. I bet your lawyers number is ahead of your wife's on your favorites list on your Iphone.

Mine actually is but it is just because I don't know how to move the numbers around.

[Anatidae]

Instead of all you super smart, level headed, people judging a man.......

Obviously, this is directed toward someone else besides me.

If not, please feel free to address me personally.

BTW - my wife doesn't HAVE a cell phone

[tombstone]

Instead of all you super smart, level headed, people judging a man.......

Obviously, this is directed toward someone else besides me.

If not, please feel free to address me personally.

BTW - my wife doesn't HAVE a cell phone

No sir, not at you directly. If so, I would have included your quote.

Several of these different types of threads have been on the board lately(the garage break in thread was one that came to mind), and it is a great concern for everyone. They all follow the same path. Someone states what they will or "want to" do and others jump in saying what they can and can't do. I guess what I am trying to say is that different factors drive different situations and very, very few of the initial posts give all of the facts or even enough for us to be giving tactical or legal advice.

[duckhunterdoc]

all good points, from protecting your family to not doing anything rash, and being responsible with your gun,. But on the point of Home invasion- it has happened to me twice. First time I didn't learn much other than get an Alarm system. Second time happened to my wife and Daughter.....things I learned--Alarm systems only work if ON. Crackheads don't care--don't care, about anything--they cannot think when high....locked doors and other preventive measures are worth a lot...How it happens --is NOT how you have thought about it --planned on it--prepared for it... happens 10 x quicker than you ever thought--and is probably over that quick---Police help is TOO late----in regards to WHO kicked on Greenheadjims Door---could have been a crackhead--very easy they did not think to try the doorknob first--who knows....Cwinks comments on this thread and the other(Home Invasion) are very good. I would add with Locked doors(aLOT)( BTW we just got a keyless lock--seems the ease helps us lock it more) maybe garage doors as another Barrier, also home alarm has to be calculated by you (not just standard) for low lying windows ETC. I also like individual panic buttons in several rooms (not just control pads) and even alarm /panic buttons on your (your wifes) key ring. THe problem for all of us is "statistical dulling"--after the "event" I was diligent to harp to my girls to be safe---but after time--nothing happens--you get slack--careless--you are safe night after night--you get slack, then it happens. Thanks to this thread as a reminder!