troubled son gets .45 from Dad on 21st birthday ............

[3spop]

IMO, licenses are not the answer. I understand the premise, what would it hurt? It wouldn't infringe upon legal gun owners? Right? I think that is fairy tale world. They are already trying to pass new executive orders, laws, common sense gun laws, (whatever they're calling them this month) that could restrict and seriously infringe upon legal gun owners rights. Pizz off your girlfriend of 2 days and she files the right kind of claim against you and bam, no more guns for you. Lose your job, get divorced, can't pay your bills, get depressed for whatever reason and decide to get professional help and bam, he turns you in to the right agency and no more guns for you.

Don't look at a mass killing and wonder how the bad guy carried it out, wonder why he did.

I'll wear my tinfoil hat with pride. I believe they absolutely want us unarmed. I believe they'll never stop trying any angle to achieve their goal. EPA is my big worry now.

[1010]

We already have laws that keep bad people from owning or possession of a gun.
Many drugs are illegal and look how that's turned out! Some folks are just idiots and can't be helped!

More laws certainly won't do anything but cause law abiding citizens more money, time, and head ache!
While criminals run free!

[JaMak84]

Having everyone attend an American History course, and possess a permit to vote does not infringe upon them voting.

Made a few changes for arguments sake. How do you feel about this statement, since these are both constitutional rights?

[booger]

There millions of laws around for thousands of years starting with the ten commandments. More laws is not the answer.

There are millions of guns sitting around not bothering nobody.

You can't legislate crazy.

All you can do is protect you and yours.

[teul2]

http://concealednation.org/2015/06/char ... m-useless/

[stang67]

Freedom does not come without risks. I want my country to uphold my liberty to address those risks, not take it upon themselves to eliminate the risks at the expense of freedoms.

[jacksbuddy]

Father will likely end up in Jail.. While it is legal to give a gun to someone, you can not do it if you know they would have been barred from owning it..

Gun owners jump up and down and scream "Don't touch my guns" Yet some gun owners continue to do stupid things like this.. If this father knew his son was on drugs then he should not have given him a handgun.. Same issue with Sandy Hook.. The mother knew her son was mentally unstable yet still he was able to get his hands on her guns..

If you go down the list of mass shootings, most of the time the gun is not legal obtained or owned by the shooter.. It is likely something that was bought off the street, was given to them or many times it was a youth that got their hands on family members guns.. The only mass shooting that I know were by the person that legally got the gun were Aurora CO, The Navel Shipyard, FT Hood and Virginia Tech.. There may be others but those are off the top of my head.

Politicians want more gun laws, gun owners want less gun laws, I want smarter, more responsible gun owners..

I don't always agree wholeheartedly with cwink on this issue, I'm more in line with stang67s opinions. However, that being said, I have to ask, where are the responsible gun merchants who sold this looneybird the gun in the first place? Responsible gun ownership starts before the firearm is purchased. If an orange-haired, spaced-out, mental refugee comes into your place of business to buy a gun, shouldn't you give him at least the same inspection as Mohamed Abdullah? And if you already own a gun, shouldn't you secure it such that those who should not have access to a firearm cannot get to YOUR firearm? I.E. - The grandfather of those school boys in Jonesboro, Arkansas. (Yes, they shot up their school and killed students like the ones in Columbine, but they weren't as armed as they tried because dear old Grandad had his guns and ammo locked up!)

The greatest asset we as humans have is our brain. Sadly, "Freedom" and "Common Sense" both share an attribute - neither 'is'.

[cwink]

Father will likely end up in Jail.. While it is legal to give a gun to someone, you can not do it if you know they would have been barred from owning it..

Gun owners jump up and down and scream "Don't touch my guns" Yet some gun owners continue to do stupid things like this.. If this father knew his son was on drugs then he should not have given him a handgun.. Same issue with Sandy Hook.. The mother knew her son was mentally unstable yet still he was able to get his hands on her guns..

If you go down the list of mass shootings, most of the time the gun is not legal obtained or owned by the shooter.. It is likely something that was bought off the street, was given to them or many times it was a youth that got their hands on family members guns.. The only mass shooting that I know were by the person that legally got the gun were Aurora CO, The Navel Shipyard, FT Hood and Virginia Tech.. There may be others but those are off the top of my head.

Politicians want more gun laws, gun owners want less gun laws, I want smarter, more responsible gun owners..

I don't always agree wholeheartedly with cwink on this issue, I'm more in line with stang67s opinions. However, that being said, I have to ask, where are the responsible gun merchants who sold this looneybird the gun in the first place? Responsible gun ownership starts before the firearm is purchased. If an orange-haired, spaced-out, mental refugee comes into your place of business to buy a gun, shouldn't you give him at least the same inspection as Mohamed Abdullah? And if you already own a gun, shouldn't you secure it such that those who should not have access to a firearm cannot get to YOUR firearm? I.E. - The grandfather of those school boys in Jonesboro, Arkansas. (Yes, they shot up their school and killed students like the ones in Columbine, but they weren't as armed as they tried because dear old Grandad had his guns and ammo locked up!)

The greatest asset we as humans have is our brain. Sadly, "Freedom" and "Common Sense" both share an attribute - neither 'is'.

I try to express and get across in my classes just how important knowledge and safety is. In less than 2 weeks here in MS, gun owners will be allowed to purse or satchel carry their firearms without permit and without any training requirements.. Is this a good thing? I think so.. Now along with Open Carry we will also have a version of Constitutional Carry so people can carry a gun concealed without restrictions
http://www.clarionledger.com/story/poli ... /70538560/

But what people don't understand is that when you carry in a purse or bag you have to keep that purse or bag on you at all times.. See this recent story below where a 2yo shot and killed his mom in Walmart after reaching into her purse..

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /21062089/


Also passed with purse carry is "A separate bill the House passed 98-18 on Friday, SB2619, would exempt active military, veterans and retired law enforcement from training requirements to obtain enhanced carry permits."

Is it good that people that serve our country and community get some financial breaks on obtaining an IC course. Yes, I think so.. But I am not trying to be rude here, most retired officers and military veterans scare me more first time shooters..

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/vide ... ator-video

Do I think these legal changes are good? Yes, but I could post enough of these bad example types of stories to keep us all reading for days. Bad gun stories make the news, while good stories usually don't While these changes are good, if we get lots of bad press from irresponsible gun owners it is only going to be a matter of time before that start rolling back these changes..

[1010]

Cwink if one of these people that scares you, like you mentioned above, and they had interest in one of your HD weapons!
Would you sell them one of your pistols?

[cwink]

Cwink if one of these people that scares you, like you mentioned above, and they had interest in one of your HD weapons!
Would you sell them one of your pistols?

I haven't had any what I perceive to be "mentally unstable" people, but I have had some questionable characters message me on facebook that I have turned down or badgered them enough with questions that they stopped trying to buy from me. I have also turned down sales when I thought the gun wasn't a good fit for them. In the "ATF" book, it says to "know your customer" and most of my customers are friends, former students or friends of former students and they seek me out instead of someone just walking in off the street.. So I don't have too many issues with that.

My main concerns are the people that go to the local Big box store, they buy the hammerless revolver or the DAO micro 380, get a permit, strap it on (without ever shooting it) and walk around like they are going to save the world with it.. They don't understand the limitations of the gun, and if they are ever involved in a situation in which they need to use it and they whip it out and can't hit the broadside of a barn and start sending bullets flying through a crowded walmart and kill some innocent bystander or child . Can you imagine the backlash from that? Or what if the Child that killed his mother in Walmart accidentally hit and killed another person instead of his mom?

In MS most of us grew up around guns and can tell site the first rule of gun safety which is some form of "Never point a gun at someone" or "treat all guns as if they are loaded" But most people don't practice that unless the gun is actually loaded. Before becoming an instructor I did many of the same mistakes... Not checking to make sure the gun is clear, not following the "Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction" What you learn when you handle students on the range is just knowing the rules don't make you follow them. You have to be vigilant and practice them so they become 2nd nature. If it isn't something you can do with your eyes closed or without having to think about then your not going to be able to do it under stress..