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bigwater · Postby **bigwater** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:09 am

you um fans... good lord... ya'll our so outta touch with reality its sad...

coach cutt was run outta town because he didn't want to submit to change.. i can agree with that.

however..

why change.. hello um fans.. how many games did cutt average winning during his tenure at um.. 7 games.. yes seven games... thats a very respectabable number.. thats the best any um coach has done in modern times.. (now don't go spewing a whole bunch of chit about coach vaught) notice i said modern times,, in other words since the negro athelete came to the fore-front...

thats better than tubberville, brewer, sloan or cooper... what were you fans expecting... i mean hell any coach would have been hard pressed to win under last years conditions..

think about it like this.. as a coach you and your staff are there everyday to see the players perform.. now based on practice any coach.. whoever it would have been would have named spudenerlock as the starter..

now matter what you do in practice and preperation, theres no way to duplicate the game day experience.. how was coach cutt to know that spurlock was going to play so badly once the lights came on.. how could anyone have known..

case in point.. based on practice this year who has coach o named as his starter.. yep spurlock....

i guess camlock my point is .. that um has 0 (zero) grounds for firing coach cutt..

RebelYelp · Postby **RebelYelp** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:50 am

i can agree with alot of that bigwater.....

but the whole deal on Cut as far as i'm concerned was this... He won games with Eli, he had no plan in place for "post-Eli", heck, ask the players on the team. You brought up Spurlock, he's said that he was nowhere near ready last year, and that the coaches really didn't try to help him, it was more of trying to mold him into the next Eli, which he isn't. Look at our depth chart for offensive and defensive lines past this year, it's pretty sickening, there's nobody there. Look at the staff he had here...... Roper and Woods are 2 of the worst coaches at their respective positions in the nation, he wouldn't change... Not to mention a defense that was consistently in the bottom 3 in the SEC year in and year out, and he said he didn't see where there needed to be a change ?? What would MSU do if 5 years from now, The Slytanic has the worst defense in the SEC every year ??

by the way... it all worked out for the best b/c had things not happened like they did, we would've been coachless during spring and would have been looking for a new one regardless with Cut's health issues......
Cut is a good man, i agree, and at times a good coach, but i just feel like things have all worked out for the best.

bigwater · Postby **bigwater** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:06 pm

rebelyelp,,

heres the big difference between say a ole miss and a florida or a flordia state..

at um from time to time your going to have to rebuild.. thats just a fact..

take florida state.. the don't have to rebuild.. they just reload..

the um football program has not reached the level of reloading.. nor do i think they ever will.. i'm not saying they can't have periods of winning..

heck for that matter at some-point all programs will have to rebuild,, but the true upper level programs go on the reloading mode for much longer runs....

mabe coach o will get the rebel program to where the just reload every year.. maybe i doubt it though..

camlock · Postby **camlock** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:13 pm

bigwater wrote:you um fans... good lord... ya'll our so outta touch with reality its sad...

coach cutt was run outta town because he didn't want to submit to change.. i can agree with that.

however..

why change.. hello um fans.. how many games did cutt average winning during his tenure at um.. 7 games.. yes seven games... thats a very respectabable number.. thats the best any um coach has done in modern times.. (now don't go spewing a whole bunch of chit about coach vaught) notice i said modern times,, in other words since the negro athelete came to the fore-front...

thats better than tubberville, brewer, sloan or cooper... what were you fans expecting... i mean hell any coach would have been hard pressed to win under last years conditions..

think about it like this.. as a coach you and your staff are there everyday to see the players perform.. now based on practice any coach.. whoever it would have been would have named spudenerlock as the starter..

now matter what you do in practice and preperation, theres no way to duplicate the game day experience.. how was coach cutt to know that spurlock was going to play so badly once the lights came on.. how could anyone have known..

case in point.. based on practice this year who has coach o named as his starter.. yep spurlock....

i guess camlock my point is .. that um has 0 (zero) grounds for firing coach cutt..

I don't disagree that the firing of Cutt was questionable. I'm not in it at all for that arguement. I am just questioning your motive in bringing that up in the thread. This was about whether or not Ole Miss fans should feel good about beating State. And no matter how bad State team is, it's still a very fesible arguement for Rebel fans to feel good about being alot better over the last 3 years...or at least that's what I was discussing...

camlock · Postby **camlock** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:21 pm

Greenhead22 wrote:Please don't make me have to list every single coach that declined the job offer at Ole Miss, don't have enough time in the day to do so.

The MSU job was offered to Jimbo Fisher first, wanted more $$$ than LT wanted to give so Croom got the job. UM was offering the big bucks and was getting turned down left and right, ended up saving that money by signing Zero.

If you "know so much" about the inside of Ole Miss athletics, why are you a State fan???? You could spout off every name you heard in the media if you want, but you don't know anymore than the next about whether they indeed were offered the job or not. The ONLY coach that public announced he wasn't interested was Bobby Petrino and it's not clear as to whether he was even offered, or if that was a ploy to get more cash, the one thing that is for sure, is that it got him more cash!!! And I am sure there were probably some disinterest from some coaches, but you don't know anymore than anyone else...and go see who's pay their coach more money??? Heck, while were compared peter sizes, go see who's baseball coach makes more money, since that's yalls claim to fame with your Dudy Noble Field and your Palmeiro Performance Enhancement Center...No matter who much you wanna act like Ole Miss is so unattractive to anyone outside the fanbase, your being blind, cause you obviously have no perception of how State is percieved around the country.

Postby **Greenhead22** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:29 pm

Don't get me started because Ole Miss ain't worth the time. :lol:

Petrino wasn't the ONLY coach to publicly decline the job offer, Dennis Erickson was another one, whom they offered more $$$ to than Petrino.

camlock · Postby **camlock** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:39 pm

the only thing public about Erikson was that he WAS NOT OFFERED the job. Robert Khayat answered that question to the media in plain english during the press conference that they introduced Ed Orgeron. He said they flew to LA, met with Erikson and then went for the 2nd interview of Orgeron and offered at that time. I won't say that Erikson didn't tell them he wasn't interested at that time, becuase I don't know, unlike yourself, but I do know I heard Chancellor Khayat with my own two ears say that Erikson was not offered the job (maybe that was b/c he wasn't interested, who knows, you could only speculate). They only met with him for an interview. SO, where is your inside information on the list of coaches that would take all day to go through...I'd love to see it, would be some interesting knowledge!

Postby **Greenhead22** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:49 pm

You believe every word that comes out of Robert Khayat's mouth? :lol:

Honestly, I would like to know. :lol:

rebelduckaholic · Postby **rebelduckaholic** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:53 pm

That is kind of like saying you believe everything out of Matt Wyatts mouth :lol:

Isn't he still on the news

Postby **Greenhead22** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:04 pm

Man, don't go to dissin' the comeback king of the '99 season. :lol:

hillhunter · Postby **hillhunter** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:28 pm

GH22 i thought the comeback king of that season was the field goal kicker. How many game winners did he make that year? I know of 1 for sure don't you? :lol:

camlock · Postby **camlock** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:30 pm

Honestly, NO I don't believe everything from Khayat or Boone especially, but why should I believe you about your list of coaches when I know you don't know more about the situation than myself.your not making me wanna believe you either. I don't make inferences based on perception, especially from the media. I'll state you a fact though, the only public dismissal of interest for the Ole Miss coaching job, was Bobby Petrino, all others are speculation. Fueled by spectators like yourself... So to make a bold statement like you did, is just flamin', which is cool until you start trying to pass it off as truth or as crediblity like your an insider or something...

RebelYelp · Postby **RebelYelp** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:32 pm

i don't disagree with you about having to rebuild like you say, but this is beyond rebuilding, there's literally nothing there....

Postby **Greenhead22** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:42 pm

hillhunter wrote:GH22 i thought the comeback king of that season was the field goal kicker. How many game winners did he make that year? I know of 1 for sure don't you?

You're thinking of the great '98 game........And CJ is still wide open at the 15. :lol:

hillhunter · Postby **hillhunter** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:43 pm

Oh my bad, knew it was some where back there.

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