Dog handling

[Meeka]

Two pretty good dog trainers and duckhunters, goosebruce and gator, know that even a dog that sits good might break!

But somebody who hunts with a dog that has no chance of sittin still and also hunt s with a buddy with a well trained dog needs to have his dog on leash. Period. I battled this in my camp for a while and yes, it took a while, but my partners do use a leash if thier dog won't sit. We didn't have a fallin out but they had sense enopugh to know I didn't like it AND they wanted to hunt with me from time to time for whatever reason (probably gluttons for punishment) and they knew I would rather hunt with just my dog than to hunt with them and thier unleashed dog.

If you can't train a dog or don't have time or whatever, by all means take your dog if you can leash him and he will be quiet, even if he ain't a finished dog; he's your dog and thats all that counts.

[DUKLUVR]

BASICS Required knowledge for livin in DIXIE!!! +stirrin coles
1. "Hell, boy (me) to train a dog, you have to know more that it."
CR Stoker, suburbs of Lodi, 19sumpthin
2. The Dog must be *trained* before the big hunt.
3. Bad behavior and/or handling an harms other dogs; good b/h doesn't
help the others. (sorriness begets sorriness)
Goosebruce: Man, that is so true; needed to be said so many times. nailed it. "Your dog is pickin up my duks in my decoys. We were here first, pick that sob up and MOVE." to protect the person, well, he is close to my heart and hell I was there.
In DIXIE you will always have an albatross forever is you are ever to use the words "shoot dogs". You may be "paranoid" but that don't exclude the fact that anytime someone's dog is missing, they will be coming to see ya. (ya may not know who or why but they will watch ya, ya dog, cows, wife, house.
"not hunting with the sobs again" may not refer to just canines.

Never,never,never berate a persons dog. In DIXIE the man is allowed to bite ya. Hell, it's grounds for pms...permissable manslaughter.

Life is only lived 1 time. It is much too precious to waste on the young&dum.

[GordonGekko]

good to see this post again...we had a breaker last thursday morning....

two of us hunting stood up and shot 2 greenheads and a hen (yeah sue me).... The first bird I shot folded up and dropped and THUD landed on the levee, while my blind partner was hammering away at the other greenhead I popped the hen and Splash down she went.... At this point, everything is cool, all the birds are marked as we are watchin' the other greenhead to see where it goes down...there is another SPLASH about 10 yards from the blind by the levee, followed by a streaking yellow dog.... Apparently, the Greenhead I shot wasnt' as dead as he sounded when he hit the levee, and he'd revived and decided to swim for it...it was too much for the dog to stand and she took off after it.... Now, in 7 years of hunting over this dog I've never seen her break...but, it happened...just not real often....

[Bankermane]

Training tips:

I hope this is helpful to those of you who may also be training a pup.....since it has been so hard for me to find 2 "experts" who agree on anything about training a dog, I wanted to post this up as a public service to you guys at MsDucks.

I hope my experience can help to make you a better dog handler.



As you know.....I'm in the middle of training a pup. After spending the last few weeks working on sit, heel, and here commands on a lead it was time to move to the next step....the e-collar.

I've spent the last few months pouring over whatever I could find on the subject to familiarize myself with collar conditioning before I got started with her.

I started putting the collar on her about a week ago to get her used t o it while I finished my reading/video watching and got ready for the big day......today was it!!

It's kind of funny, because I'll be damned if I could find a single "expert" who agreed on even the most basic fundamentals of the thing....like what command to start with. Then there were different opinions on what intensity to start with and on and on and on.

I finally figured it'd be just as easy on me to make up my own routine, as long as I was consistent (a HUGE word in the "dog people" vocabulary...so it must be very important).

I figured that there was no need making the introduction anymore tedious for her then it needed to be, and I sure as hell didn't see any reason to side step the issue of whether or not the dog was soft to correction. Plus, I figured that the best way to get her really chomping at the bit was to introduce it to her while she was doing something she really liked!!!

So......I take her out to a local park where we train some days. I let her run around for a few minutes to get ready for a training session. I can usually tell when she's ready because she starts sticking closer and closer to me. Once she got all her running out of her system, we ventured forth to the land of e-collar.

Like I said, I wanted it to be fun and I figured since the first command she learned months ago was "sit/stay" that I'd start there. After all, she was familiar with the command and had no problem with it. Plus....she LOVES to retrieve...so I figured I'd throw that in as well...ad to that the desire to see how she responded to pressure, and I had a program I could live with.

I had her sit next to me, put the e-collar setting on 10, the highest, and threw a bumper just as far as I could. When she got about 3/4 way to the bumper I yelled SIT....STAY!!!!!! as loud as I could and pushed the continuous button. Well....I gotta say that I've heard of how good the things can be, but I was totally unprepared for the reaction I got and how quickly she learned.

I had barely got my finger off the button from the 5 second jolt before she was flat on her back with her legs in the air. I knew the pup was a fast learner, but I never would have believed she'd stop that fast on the first correction. I'd read about dogs yelping and such in some of the books, but she just flopped down like she was shot!! It was amazing....not a single peep out of her!!

Seeing how quick she stopped....and not wanting to lose the moment....I immediately yelled STAY!!!! and hit the button again. You're not going to believe this, and it's a credit to this young dog, but she jumped straight up about 6 feet in the air, just like she would if she was after a flushing pheasant, and then landed again on her back.....still as she could be. Man, I never would have thought it'd start off quite so good.

I walked up to her and she still didn't move...talk about holding....unreal!!!

I bent down next to her and said, "good dog, good dog"....and she was so intent on staying where she was that she only blinked her eyes. Not enough to consider it moving....because I'm looking for a dog that honors her commands....but just enough to let me know that she heard me....it was a very cool moment for my dog and me.

I thought....what the hell, might as well move on to "here". I attached her 50 foot lead like I had read I'm supposed to do and backed off to the whole length of it. I yelled HERE!!! as loud as I could, held the button down, and began to run backwards so she would want to chase after me. She sandbagged a bit for the first 30 feet that I drug her, but then she got to her feet and was only dragging her left rear leg. I knew right then that part of her wanted to stay where I had commanded her so I hit her again with another burst of lightning. HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She screamed out in joy and ran hell bent for me and never checked up until she had got to the end of the rope when I yelled....STAY!!!!!!!!! and laid into her again. Man, when she yelled and went down this time I could tell she got it....there was NO movement....she just laid there with a blank look on her face waiting for the next command. In fact, I thought I'd have to end the session on that note since I've read about ended training in a positive way.

But, as always seems to be the case when you have to depend on public land for outdoor pursuits, here came a family with 3 kids. Things were going so good that I was a bit annoyed when the kids started to ask if they could pet the dog. And Rainy had got back up on her front legs with her back legs kind of splayed out behind her like a dog will do when they are really happy....so what was I supposed to do??

The kids started petting the dog and the dog started to get wound up and I got more and more aggravated that my training time was being taken up. Finally, one of the kids says, "what's this black box around her neck?". I say, "she's got a terminal disease, only a few weeks to live, the box gives her some medicine through two prongs on the other side of the collar....she really likes it when you rub her neck right under the prongs, and if you can grab the prongs and hold them away from her skin, she will love you forever".

Kids are suckers for a dog in pain, so the oldest one couldn't move fast enough to grab the prongs and hold them away from her neck.....and I gotta tell you, I couldn't push the button down faster or hold it down harder. The kid immediately flopped down onto the ground and began to convulse.....her dad yelled, "WHAT THE HELL".....I yelled, "WHAT'S WRONG WITH HER, GET HER AWAY FROM MY DOG!!!........RAINY HERE!!!!!".....I ain't sure who looked more surprised, the kid getting drug toward me by her right arm, the dad trying to catch up to his kid, or me trying to get the hell away from all of them!!......since no one seemed to be winning, I yelled....STAY!!!!! and hit the damn button again!!!

I guess I held it down too long because the kid let go, the dog laid down motionless again, and the dad kept running toward me like he wanted to kill me......I ran until I was tired and when I could go no more I turned on that SOB, held out the transmitter and yelled...."YOU WANNA RIDE THE LIGHTNING "@#$%#"!!!!!".

He stopped as fast as that pup did and gave me just enough chance to jump in my truck and head back to pick up my dog. She still hadn't moved and even when I put her in the truck she just kind of "stayed", for lack of a better term, on the whole ride home.

I gotta say, this dog training ain't near as bad as the "experts" want to make you believe. There must be a whole lot of people making a whole lot of money trying to convince people that it's harder then it looks. It ain't.

Tomorrow I'm going to introduce the "heel" command.....ought to have her off the lead completely by 4 or 5 tomorrow afternoon.

[GordonGekko]

dammit now that's funny i don't care who you are.....

[h2o_dog]

Bankermane, you might want to seek some professional help there, sport....













and get some assistance with the dog training too

[chopper30]

BBWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAA

[Buckwabit]

If the pup lives through another training day, you can say you have a tough dog.

Jesue Christ....

I went a totally different route..........

[SoftCall]

please note my signature

[Bonehead]

Training tips:

I hope this is helpful to those of you who may also be training a pup.....since it has been so hard for me to find 2 "experts" who agree on anything about training a dog, I wanted to post this up as a public service to you guys at MsDucks.

I hope my experience can help to make you a better dog handler.



As you know.....I'm in the middle of training a pup. After spending the last few weeks working on sit, heel, and here commands on a lead it was time to move to the next step....the e-collar.

I've spent the last few months pouring over whatever I could find on the subject to familiarize myself with collar conditioning before I got started with her.

I started putting the collar on her about a week ago to get her used t o it while I finished my reading/video watching and got ready for the big day......today was it!!

It's kind of funny, because I'll be damned if I could find a single "expert" who agreed on even the most basic fundamentals of the thing....like what command to start with. Then there were different opinions on what intensity to start with and on and on and on.

I finally figured it'd be just as easy on me to make up my own routine, as long as I was consistent (a HUGE word in the "dog people" vocabulary...so it must be very important).

I figured that there was no need making the introduction anymore tedious for her then it needed to be, and I sure as hell didn't see any reason to side step the issue of whether or not the dog was soft to correction. Plus, I figured that the best way to get her really chomping at the bit was to introduce it to her while she was doing something she really liked!!!

So......I take her out to a local park where we train some days. I let her run around for a few minutes to get ready for a training session. I can usually tell when she's ready because she starts sticking closer and closer to me. Once she got all her running out of her system, we ventured forth to the land of e-collar.

Like I said, I wanted it to be fun and I figured since the first command she learned months ago was "sit/stay" that I'd start there. After all, she was familiar with the command and had no problem with it. Plus....she LOVES to retrieve...so I figured I'd throw that in as well...ad to that the desire to see how she responded to pressure, and I had a program I could live with.

I had her sit next to me, put the e-collar setting on 10, the highest, and threw a bumper just as far as I could. When she got about 3/4 way to the bumper I yelled SIT....STAY!!!!!! as loud as I could and pushed the continuous button. Well....I gotta say that I've heard of how good the things can be, but I was totally unprepared for the reaction I got and how quickly she learned.

I had barely got my finger off the button from the 5 second jolt before she was flat on her back with her legs in the air. I knew the pup was a fast learner, but I never would have believed she'd stop that fast on the first correction. I'd read about dogs yelping and such in some of the books, but she just flopped down like she was shot!! It was amazing....not a single peep out of her!!

Seeing how quick she stopped....and not wanting to lose the moment....I immediately yelled STAY!!!! and hit the button again. You're not going to believe this, and it's a credit to this young dog, but she jumped straight up about 6 feet in the air, just like she would if she was after a flushing pheasant, and then landed again on her back.....still as she could be. Man, I never would have thought it'd start off quite so good.

I walked up to her and she still didn't move...talk about holding....unreal!!!

I bent down next to her and said, "good dog, good dog"....and she was so intent on staying where she was that she only blinked her eyes. Not enough to consider it moving....because I'm looking for a dog that honors her commands....but just enough to let me know that she heard me....it was a very cool moment for my dog and me.

I thought....what the hell, might as well move on to "here". I attached her 50 foot lead like I had read I'm supposed to do and backed off to the whole length of it. I yelled HERE!!! as loud as I could, held the button down, and began to run backwards so she would want to chase after me. She sandbagged a bit for the first 30 feet that I drug her, but then she got to her feet and was only dragging her left rear leg. I knew right then that part of her wanted to stay where I had commanded her so I hit her again with another burst of lightning. HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She screamed out in joy and ran hell bent for me and never checked up until she had got to the end of the rope when I yelled....STAY!!!!!!!!! and laid into her again. Man, when she yelled and went down this time I could tell she got it....there was NO movement....she just laid there with a blank look on her face waiting for the next command. In fact, I thought I'd have to end the session on that note since I've read about ended training in a positive way.

But, as always seems to be the case when you have to depend on public land for outdoor pursuits, here came a family with 3 kids. Things were going so good that I was a bit annoyed when the kids started to ask if they could pet the dog. And Rainy had got back up on her front legs with her back legs kind of splayed out behind her like a dog will do when they are really happy....so what was I supposed to do??

The kids started petting the dog and the dog started to get wound up and I got more and more aggravated that my training time was being taken up. Finally, one of the kids says, "what's this black box around her neck?". I say, "she's got a terminal disease, only a few weeks to live, the box gives her some medicine through two prongs on the other side of the collar....she really likes it when you rub her neck right under the prongs, and if you can grab the prongs and hold them away from her skin, she will love you forever".

Kids are suckers for a dog in pain, so the oldest one couldn't move fast enough to grab the prongs and hold them away from her neck.....and I gotta tell you, I couldn't push the button down faster or hold it down harder. The kid immediately flopped down onto the ground and began to convulse.....her dad yelled, "WHAT THE HELL".....I yelled, "WHAT'S WRONG WITH HER, GET HER AWAY FROM MY DOG!!!........RAINY HERE!!!!!".....I ain't sure who looked more surprised, the kid getting drug toward me by her right arm, the dad trying to catch up to his kid, or me trying to get the hell away from all of them!!......since no one seemed to be winning, I yelled....STAY!!!!! and hit the damn button again!!!

I guess I held it down too long because the kid let go, the dog laid down motionless again, and the dad kept running toward me like he wanted to kill me......I ran until I was tired and when I could go no more I turned on that SOB, held out the transmitter and yelled...."YOU WANNA RIDE THE LIGHTNING !@#@!!!!!".

He stopped as fast as that pup did and gave me just enough chance to jump in my truck and head back to pick up my dog. She still hadn't moved and even when I put her in the truck she just kind of "stayed", for lack of a better term, on the whole ride home.

I gotta say, this dog training ain't near as bad as the "experts" want to make you believe. There must be a whole lot of people making a whole lot of money trying to convince people that it's harder then it looks. It ain't.

Tomorrow I'm going to introduce the "heel" command.....ought to have her off the lead completely by 4 or 5 tomorrow afternoon.

freaking hysterical

[VICKSBURGBOB]

, while my blind partner was hammering away at the other greenhead I popped the hen and Splash down she went....

Obviously hunting by sound...that's one way to up your limit though.

[VICKSBURGBOB]

Bankermane you aint right at all boy. Funny stuff though.

[Tedl10]

LMAO!!!

[Dogzeye]

Bmane you need to change your sig file to "YOU WANNA RIDE THE LIGHTING @#$(*#&^"...

That's funny stuff !