Only thing I know about Masons is from that Ray Stevens song where Coy had the Harley on the diving board.
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My dad was a Mason. Never said a word about it. I remember one woman at church one time coming up to him and telling him he was in a Satan group. She was a lulu anyway. I asked about the Mason's a few years back and he asked me if I wanted to join. I asked him what it was all about and he said he couldn't tell me. That was the end of that.
Only thing I know about Masons is from that Ray Stevens song where Coy had the Harley on the diving board.
Only thing I know about Masons is from that Ray Stevens song where Coy had the Harley on the diving board.
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My only concern with the Mason's is that anyone can be in as long as they believe in one God. It does not have to be the God that I believe in which is part of the Trinity.
As shown in prior post, the Mason's originated from the Knights Templar which were of Christian faith and it is speculation that the Knights Templar were in charge of guarding Holy Christian sites (Holy Grail).
So, I wish that the Mason's would go back to a Christian faith based fraternity.
As shown in prior post, the Mason's originated from the Knights Templar which were of Christian faith and it is speculation that the Knights Templar were in charge of guarding Holy Christian sites (Holy Grail).
So, I wish that the Mason's would go back to a Christian faith based fraternity.
Wingman i have a card in my wallet that will give you the basic rundown of Masonry. i believe you would enjoy it.
we refer to God as the Great Architeture of the Universe so as not to offend anyone of different religions.
different countries have different languages so God basically has many names.
Allah (arab),Jehovah (hebrew) and God (english) just to name a few. We feel that if you believe in 1 creator of heaven and earth, man, plant, fish and animal then we're on the same page.
Freemasonry is based on the Fatherhood of God and Brotherhood of Man.
it's basic tenets are Brotherly Love, Relief and Truth.
it teaches morals, virtues and respect for your fellow man no matter what political persuasion or religion.
if the world adopted these same principles it would be much better off.
we wouldn't have had the Inquisition, the Crusades, the Holocost or suicide bombers.
"striving to make good men better."
we refer to God as the Great Architeture of the Universe so as not to offend anyone of different religions.
different countries have different languages so God basically has many names.
Allah (arab),Jehovah (hebrew) and God (english) just to name a few. We feel that if you believe in 1 creator of heaven and earth, man, plant, fish and animal then we're on the same page.
Freemasonry is based on the Fatherhood of God and Brotherhood of Man.
it's basic tenets are Brotherly Love, Relief and Truth.
it teaches morals, virtues and respect for your fellow man no matter what political persuasion or religion.
if the world adopted these same principles it would be much better off.
we wouldn't have had the Inquisition, the Crusades, the Holocost or suicide bombers.
"striving to make good men better."
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As I previously posted, the Mason's meaning of "God" is my only concern. Muslims do not believe in the same God as Jews and Christians. Jews are still waiting for the Trinity to complete. Jewdao Christians know that the Trinity has been fullfilled. Muslims do not believe in the Trinity what so ever. So, their god is not my (Christian faith) God. Sit down and speak with one in length about their god and you will realize that their god is not the same that Christians and Jews refer to as God. Just because one believes in one god, does not mean that they are praying to the one true God.
I wish the Mason's would go back to their heritage and back to a Christian based fraternity. I think the Mason's do good work.
How many Mason's here in the south/Bible Belt would allow a known Muslim in their lodge?
I wish the Mason's would go back to their heritage and back to a Christian based fraternity. I think the Mason's do good work.
How many Mason's here in the south/Bible Belt would allow a known Muslim in their lodge?
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As stated from the United Grand Lodge of England:
What is Freemasonry
Introduction
Freemasonry is one of the world's oldest secular fraternal societies. The following information is intended to explain Freemasonry as it is practised under the United Grand Lodge of England, which administers Lodges of Freemasons in England and Wales and in many places overseas.
The explanation may correct some misconceptions.
Freemasonry is a society of men concerned with moral and spiritual values. Its members are taught its precepts by a series of ritual dramas, which follow ancient forms, and use stonemasons' customs and tools as allegorical guides.
The Essential Qualification for Membership
The essential qualification for admission into and continuing membership is a belief in a Supreme Being.
Membership is open to men of any race or religion who can fulfil this essential qualification and who are of good repute.
Freemasonry and Religion
Freemasonry is not a religion, nor is it a substitute for religion. Its essential qualification opens it to men of many religions and it expects them to continue to follow their own faith. It does not allow religion to be discussed at its meeting.
The Three Great Principles
For many years Freemasons have followed three great principles:
Brotherly Love - Every true Freemason will show tolerance and respect for the opinions of others and behave with kindness and understanding to his fellow creatures.
Relief - Freemasons are taught to practise charity and to care, not only for their own, but also for the community as a whole, both by charitable giving, and by voluntary efforts and works as individuals.
Truth - Freemasons strive for truth, requiring high moral standards and aiming to achieve them in their own lives.
Freemasons believe that these principles represent a way of achieving higher standards in life.
Charity
From its earliest days, Freemasonry has been concerned with the care of orphans, the sick and the aged.
This work continues today. In addition, large sums are given to national and local charities.
Freemasonry and Society
Freemasonry demands from its members a respect for the law of the country in which a man works and lives.
Its principles do not in any way conflict with its members' duties as citizens, but should strengthen them in fulfilling their public and private responsibilities.
The use by a Freemason of his membership to promote his own or anyone else's business, professional or personal interests is condemned, and is contrary to the conditions on which he sought admission to Freemasonry.
His duty as a citizen must always prevail over any obligation to other Freemasons, and any attempt to shield a Freemason who as acted dishonourably or unlawfully is contrary to this prime duty.
Secrecy
The secrets of Freemasonry are concerned with its traditional modes of recognition. It is not a secret society, since all members are free to acknowledge their membership and will do so in response to enquiries for respectable reasons. Its constitutions and rules are available to the public. There is no secret about any of its aims and principles. Like many other societies, it regards some of its internal affairs as private matters for its members.
Freemasonry and Politics
Freemasonry is non-political, and the discussion of politics at Masonic meetings is forbidden.
Other Masonic Bodies
Freemasonry is practised under many independent Grand Lodges with standards similar to those set by the United Grand Lodge of England.
There are some Grand Lodges and other apparently Masonic bodies that do not meet these standards, e.g. that do not require a belief in a Supreme Being, or that allow or encourage their members as such to participate in political matters.
These Grand Lodges and bodies are not recognised by the United Grand Lodge of England as being Masonically regular, and Masonic contact with them is forbidden.
Conclusion
A Freemason is encouraged to do his duty first to his God (by whatever name he is known) through his faith and religious practice; and then, without detriment to his family and those dependent on him, to his neighbour through charity and service.
None of these ideas is exclusively Masonic, but all should be universally acceptable. Freemasons are expected to follow them.
Freemasonry and Religion
Introduction
The following information is intended to deal with a topic mentioned in the leaflet 'What is Freemasonry'.
It explains the United Grand Lodge of England's view of the relationship between Freemasonry and religion.
Basic Statement
Freemasonry is not a religion, nor is it a substitute for religion. It demands of its members a belief in a Supreme Being but provides no system of faith of its own.
Freemasonry is open to men of all religious faiths. The discussion of religion at its meetings is forbidden.
The Supreme Being
The names used for the Supreme Being enable men of different faiths to join in prayer (to God as each sees Him) without the terms of the prayer causing dissention among them.
There is no separate Masonic God; a Freemason's God remains the God of the religion he professes.
Freemasons meet in common respect for the Supreme Being, but He remains Supreme in their individual religions, and it is no part of Freemasonry to attempt to join religions together. There is therefore no composite Masonic God.
Volume of the Sacred Law
The Bible, referred to by Freemasons as the Volume of the Sacred Law, is always open at every Masonic meeting.
The Obligation of Freemasonry
The Obligations taken by Freemasons are sworn on or involve the Volume of the Sacred Law, or the book held sacred by those concerned. They are undertakings to help keep secret a Freemason's means of recognition, and to follow the principles of Freemasonry.
The physical penalties, which are purely symbolic, do not form part of an Obligation. The commitment to follow the principles of Freemasonry is, however, deep.
Freemasonry Compared with Religion
Freemasonry lacks the basic elements of religion.
a) it has no theological doctrine, and by forbidding religious discussion at its meetings will not allow a Masonic theological doctrine to develop.
b) It offers no sacraments.
c) It does not claim to lead to salvation by works, by secret knowledge or by any other means. The secrets of Freemasonry are concerned with modes of recognition and not with salvation.
Freemasonry Supports Religion
Freemasonry is far from indifferent to religion. Without interfering in religious practice it expects each member to follow his own faith, and to place above all other duties his duty to God, by whatever name He is known. Its moral teachings are acceptable to all religions.
Freemasonry is thus a supporter of religion.
What is Freemasonry
Introduction
Freemasonry is one of the world's oldest secular fraternal societies. The following information is intended to explain Freemasonry as it is practised under the United Grand Lodge of England, which administers Lodges of Freemasons in England and Wales and in many places overseas.
The explanation may correct some misconceptions.
Freemasonry is a society of men concerned with moral and spiritual values. Its members are taught its precepts by a series of ritual dramas, which follow ancient forms, and use stonemasons' customs and tools as allegorical guides.
The Essential Qualification for Membership
The essential qualification for admission into and continuing membership is a belief in a Supreme Being.
Membership is open to men of any race or religion who can fulfil this essential qualification and who are of good repute.
Freemasonry and Religion
Freemasonry is not a religion, nor is it a substitute for religion. Its essential qualification opens it to men of many religions and it expects them to continue to follow their own faith. It does not allow religion to be discussed at its meeting.
The Three Great Principles
For many years Freemasons have followed three great principles:
Brotherly Love - Every true Freemason will show tolerance and respect for the opinions of others and behave with kindness and understanding to his fellow creatures.
Relief - Freemasons are taught to practise charity and to care, not only for their own, but also for the community as a whole, both by charitable giving, and by voluntary efforts and works as individuals.
Truth - Freemasons strive for truth, requiring high moral standards and aiming to achieve them in their own lives.
Freemasons believe that these principles represent a way of achieving higher standards in life.
Charity
From its earliest days, Freemasonry has been concerned with the care of orphans, the sick and the aged.
This work continues today. In addition, large sums are given to national and local charities.
Freemasonry and Society
Freemasonry demands from its members a respect for the law of the country in which a man works and lives.
Its principles do not in any way conflict with its members' duties as citizens, but should strengthen them in fulfilling their public and private responsibilities.
The use by a Freemason of his membership to promote his own or anyone else's business, professional or personal interests is condemned, and is contrary to the conditions on which he sought admission to Freemasonry.
His duty as a citizen must always prevail over any obligation to other Freemasons, and any attempt to shield a Freemason who as acted dishonourably or unlawfully is contrary to this prime duty.
Secrecy
The secrets of Freemasonry are concerned with its traditional modes of recognition. It is not a secret society, since all members are free to acknowledge their membership and will do so in response to enquiries for respectable reasons. Its constitutions and rules are available to the public. There is no secret about any of its aims and principles. Like many other societies, it regards some of its internal affairs as private matters for its members.
Freemasonry and Politics
Freemasonry is non-political, and the discussion of politics at Masonic meetings is forbidden.
Other Masonic Bodies
Freemasonry is practised under many independent Grand Lodges with standards similar to those set by the United Grand Lodge of England.
There are some Grand Lodges and other apparently Masonic bodies that do not meet these standards, e.g. that do not require a belief in a Supreme Being, or that allow or encourage their members as such to participate in political matters.
These Grand Lodges and bodies are not recognised by the United Grand Lodge of England as being Masonically regular, and Masonic contact with them is forbidden.
Conclusion
A Freemason is encouraged to do his duty first to his God (by whatever name he is known) through his faith and religious practice; and then, without detriment to his family and those dependent on him, to his neighbour through charity and service.
None of these ideas is exclusively Masonic, but all should be universally acceptable. Freemasons are expected to follow them.
Freemasonry and Religion
Introduction
The following information is intended to deal with a topic mentioned in the leaflet 'What is Freemasonry'.
It explains the United Grand Lodge of England's view of the relationship between Freemasonry and religion.
Basic Statement
Freemasonry is not a religion, nor is it a substitute for religion. It demands of its members a belief in a Supreme Being but provides no system of faith of its own.
Freemasonry is open to men of all religious faiths. The discussion of religion at its meetings is forbidden.
The Supreme Being
The names used for the Supreme Being enable men of different faiths to join in prayer (to God as each sees Him) without the terms of the prayer causing dissention among them.
There is no separate Masonic God; a Freemason's God remains the God of the religion he professes.
Freemasons meet in common respect for the Supreme Being, but He remains Supreme in their individual religions, and it is no part of Freemasonry to attempt to join religions together. There is therefore no composite Masonic God.
Volume of the Sacred Law
The Bible, referred to by Freemasons as the Volume of the Sacred Law, is always open at every Masonic meeting.
The Obligation of Freemasonry
The Obligations taken by Freemasons are sworn on or involve the Volume of the Sacred Law, or the book held sacred by those concerned. They are undertakings to help keep secret a Freemason's means of recognition, and to follow the principles of Freemasonry.
The physical penalties, which are purely symbolic, do not form part of an Obligation. The commitment to follow the principles of Freemasonry is, however, deep.
Freemasonry Compared with Religion
Freemasonry lacks the basic elements of religion.
a) it has no theological doctrine, and by forbidding religious discussion at its meetings will not allow a Masonic theological doctrine to develop.
b) It offers no sacraments.
c) It does not claim to lead to salvation by works, by secret knowledge or by any other means. The secrets of Freemasonry are concerned with modes of recognition and not with salvation.
Freemasonry Supports Religion
Freemasonry is far from indifferent to religion. Without interfering in religious practice it expects each member to follow his own faith, and to place above all other duties his duty to God, by whatever name He is known. Its moral teachings are acceptable to all religions.
Freemasonry is thus a supporter of religion.
i've read the Qur'an and my brotherin law is a muslim. theAllah (God) they refer to is the God of Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammed, David, Solomon, Jobe, etc...
the creator of the universe.inIsrael the Torah, Bible and koran are all open on the alter. when they say holy book it is the book of the members of the lodge. in washington all 3 prvious books are open.
Masonry is not a religion. It is a fraternity of men bound together by vows of public and private life morality. Men who believe in God and the constitutional rights of free choice of religion and politics.
we endorse free public education,self improvement, promotes patriotism and respect for the constitution, sanctions equal rights for all under the law, and practices good will towards all men and gives generously to philanthropies.
we contribute about $2,000,000 a day to charities like the Shriners Hospitals and other organizations that help children with hearing and speech problems.
there are about 4,000,000 masons in the world, 2,000,000 in the USA alone.
we take care of our brothers "wheresoever dispersed" as best as we can.
was talking to the Head Poomba(Pontate) of the Shriners a couple weeks ago. he said the budget for the Shriners hospital is gonna be about $718,000,000 this year. anybody want to buy a raffle ticket for a 2007 harley road hog or $10,000 cash contact a shriner. if you know of a kid with a disability like cerebral palsy, missing limbs, burn or spinal cord injuries,neuromuscular disorders, spina bifada or anything they were born with in that sort of area contact a shriner or 18002375055.
hope this clears things up a little more.
the creator of the universe.inIsrael the Torah, Bible and koran are all open on the alter. when they say holy book it is the book of the members of the lodge. in washington all 3 prvious books are open.
Masonry is not a religion. It is a fraternity of men bound together by vows of public and private life morality. Men who believe in God and the constitutional rights of free choice of religion and politics.
we endorse free public education,self improvement, promotes patriotism and respect for the constitution, sanctions equal rights for all under the law, and practices good will towards all men and gives generously to philanthropies.
we contribute about $2,000,000 a day to charities like the Shriners Hospitals and other organizations that help children with hearing and speech problems.
there are about 4,000,000 masons in the world, 2,000,000 in the USA alone.
we take care of our brothers "wheresoever dispersed" as best as we can.
was talking to the Head Poomba(Pontate) of the Shriners a couple weeks ago. he said the budget for the Shriners hospital is gonna be about $718,000,000 this year. anybody want to buy a raffle ticket for a 2007 harley road hog or $10,000 cash contact a shriner. if you know of a kid with a disability like cerebral palsy, missing limbs, burn or spinal cord injuries,neuromuscular disorders, spina bifada or anything they were born with in that sort of area contact a shriner or 18002375055.
hope this clears things up a little more.
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The Masons that I know are all wonderful, cut their are off for you, give you the shirt off their back kind of guys. I am not and never will question the quality of men they are. Here is my main concern with a Mason and the holy book Issue. If a man is a Christian and a Mason one of them is going to have to suffer if they come in contact with a Mason of a different religon. Christians are supposed to spread the word, not just some of the time or when it is allowed. That is all I am sayin.--Ace
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