No rh, their was cripples with lead too. Everyone likes to sit around and moan bout the good old days, but crippled ducks exsisted back then too.
I still wish they had outlawed motos after that first burn their ass year. Then we could sit around and say, man we'd killed them today if we only had a moto. Damn feds took em away... yada yada yada. I like a good bitching as much as anybody, and I knew it wouldn't last. Victim of its own success. But if theyd done away with them after that first year, we could still belive, and we could bitch. travis
steel shot? why?
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Took four pages before someone finally mentioned Frank C. Bellrose.Read the famous "Bellrose Report" and learn something about the history of why we shoot steel today. Whether you agree or not the data that has been compiled on this subject supports the ban on lead.
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No doc, the moto duck was created by the lead industry. Most d cells are LEAD acid batteries, and they had leftover lead after they got screwed in the lead shot conspricy. Come up with battery ducks, and voila, you got a new way for slobs to throw lead in the water! Lead with acid, well its 2 great toxics that taste great together!
Geez doc, dat is so simple, anyone ought to see it.
Waiting for the study that says small water borne eletrical disturibences caused by motos cause impotence in people of viking decent. bwhahahahahaha. travis
Geez doc, dat is so simple, anyone ought to see it.
Waiting for the study that says small water borne eletrical disturibences caused by motos cause impotence in people of viking decent. bwhahahahahaha. travis
shell shocked
good gosh dam! just got thru reading this entire thread! man, do i need some whiskey!!!!
goose is smart, but his dawg (rowdy) is smarter!! the pup can't even speak a lick of english, but manages to filter thru what travis says....
lead? steel? bismuth? hevi-shot? bow n arrow? buckshot? ........just "@#$%#" hit the sombitches and quit taking stupid shots! for starters, trying improving ya'lls calling skills. call, get 'em cup'd up, and shoot 'em in the beaks....all that's left is the dog work, and that's the most fun part of the day....
goose is smart, but his dawg (rowdy) is smarter!! the pup can't even speak a lick of english, but manages to filter thru what travis says....
lead? steel? bismuth? hevi-shot? bow n arrow? buckshot? ........just "@#$%#" hit the sombitches and quit taking stupid shots! for starters, trying improving ya'lls calling skills. call, get 'em cup'd up, and shoot 'em in the beaks....all that's left is the dog work, and that's the most fun part of the day....
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WOW
You should watch where you take your pencil out!!!! Had it out wavin around did ya!! I always try and close the door sos nobody see's my pencil!! I wanted a jumbo but got stuck with a #2 it still works good tho!!!! anyhoo I never stuck my pencil in a duck 
its been in some bad places before but never a duck thats "DISPICKABLE"!!!! 
you may wanna consider a pencil wrapper!! jest to be safe!!!!
PS. My pencil uses graphite!!!! ::::snicker:::::
its been in some bad places before but never a duck thats "DISPICKABLE"!!!! you may wanna consider a pencil wrapper!! jest to be safe!!!!
PS. My pencil uses graphite!!!! ::::snicker:::::
goose, since that was a number I pulled out of .. well the air, I did a little looking but this was an estimate from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric website.. of course the numbers are all over and I doubt I'll live to 2100 but here it is..and I think there are probably all sorts of guesses at this but they list an increase of 1.4 to 5.8 degress C by 2100, in degrees F that is about double. maybe vandal can do the math.. again just joking, but that is around 3 to 10 F, this is some very complicated modelling with all sorts of places to go wrong but it is a little scary ?????
here is there quote..
Projections of future climate change therefore depend on how well the computer climate model simulates the climate and on our understanding of how forcing functions will change in the future.
The IPCC Special Report on Emission Scenarios determines the range of future possible greenhouse gas concentrations (and other forcings) based on considerations such as population growth, economic growth, energy efficiency and a host of other factors. This leads a wide range of possible forcing scenarios, and consequently a wide range of possible future climates.
According to the range of possible forcing scenarios, and taking into account uncertainty in climate model performance, the IPCC projects a global temperature increase of anywhere from 1.4 - 5.8°C from 1990-2100. However, this global average will integrate widely varying regional responses, such as the likelihood that land areas will warm much faster than ocean temperatures, particularly those land areas in northern high latitudes (and mostly in the cold season)[/quote]
here is there quote..
Projections of future climate change therefore depend on how well the computer climate model simulates the climate and on our understanding of how forcing functions will change in the future.
The IPCC Special Report on Emission Scenarios determines the range of future possible greenhouse gas concentrations (and other forcings) based on considerations such as population growth, economic growth, energy efficiency and a host of other factors. This leads a wide range of possible forcing scenarios, and consequently a wide range of possible future climates.
According to the range of possible forcing scenarios, and taking into account uncertainty in climate model performance, the IPCC projects a global temperature increase of anywhere from 1.4 - 5.8°C from 1990-2100. However, this global average will integrate widely varying regional responses, such as the likelihood that land areas will warm much faster than ocean temperatures, particularly those land areas in northern high latitudes (and mostly in the cold season)[/quote]
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The national bag and crippling losses of ducks (data based largely on the use of lead shot) has averaged 12,810,600 ducks bagged per year and 2,729,000 ducks crippled (21.3 percent of the bag) for 1974-1983 (compiled from Carney et al. 1976, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1984; Schroeder et al. 1975; Sorensen et al. 1977).
No statistically significant differences were found among the three duck studies in cripples (birds lost) per shot fired for steel and lead shot.
In the United States (1) average annual crippling losses for ducks, coots, geese, and all waterfowl species combined were lower after steel shot implementation (1979-1984) than before implementation (1971-1975); (2) the lowest crippling losses occurred in recent years (1980-1984) when both steel shot and lead shot were used; (3) the highest crippling losses took place in the earlier years (1971-1974) when only lead shot was used; (4) crippling losses have not increased with the increase in use of steel shot in recent years; and (5) the decrease in crippling losses is a long-term trend that began before the implementation of steel shot (Table 9, Figs. 7,
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. . . the data clearly demonstrate that the use of steel shot has not resulted in an increase in crippling losses in the national waterfowl population. If an effect is present, it is positive - that is, steel shot contributed to a reduction in crippling losses.
Lead and steel loads differ ballistically. Surprising to many ballisticians, however, steel shot has been found to possess a quality of form retention that makes for a better pattern and a shorter shot string than soft lead. Brister (1976:296,300) pointed out that lead shot pellets become more deformed from impact among the pellets as they pass down the gun barrel than do steel pellets. Steel, which is harder than regular lead shot, resists deformation from pellet impact and, therefore, leaves the barrel in a more nearly spherical form. In addition, steel pellets are more nearly round and are more uniform than lead pellets before they are fired. Because of the larger proportion of steel pellets that remain in spherical form, the steel charge is more compact and has fewer empty spaces and "flyers" in its pattern than is the case for the softer lead shot.
As early as 1978 Roster (1978b:26) argued the case for steel shot: "Although steel shot can bag ducks as well as lead shot can, the belief persists that steel shot will cripple more waterfowl and damage shotguns.
Source: http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov/resource/othr ... xicosi.htm
No statistically significant differences were found among the three duck studies in cripples (birds lost) per shot fired for steel and lead shot.
In the United States (1) average annual crippling losses for ducks, coots, geese, and all waterfowl species combined were lower after steel shot implementation (1979-1984) than before implementation (1971-1975); (2) the lowest crippling losses occurred in recent years (1980-1984) when both steel shot and lead shot were used; (3) the highest crippling losses took place in the earlier years (1971-1974) when only lead shot was used; (4) crippling losses have not increased with the increase in use of steel shot in recent years; and (5) the decrease in crippling losses is a long-term trend that began before the implementation of steel shot (Table 9, Figs. 7,
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. . . the data clearly demonstrate that the use of steel shot has not resulted in an increase in crippling losses in the national waterfowl population. If an effect is present, it is positive - that is, steel shot contributed to a reduction in crippling losses.
Lead and steel loads differ ballistically. Surprising to many ballisticians, however, steel shot has been found to possess a quality of form retention that makes for a better pattern and a shorter shot string than soft lead. Brister (1976:296,300) pointed out that lead shot pellets become more deformed from impact among the pellets as they pass down the gun barrel than do steel pellets. Steel, which is harder than regular lead shot, resists deformation from pellet impact and, therefore, leaves the barrel in a more nearly spherical form. In addition, steel pellets are more nearly round and are more uniform than lead pellets before they are fired. Because of the larger proportion of steel pellets that remain in spherical form, the steel charge is more compact and has fewer empty spaces and "flyers" in its pattern than is the case for the softer lead shot.
As early as 1978 Roster (1978b:26) argued the case for steel shot: "Although steel shot can bag ducks as well as lead shot can, the belief persists that steel shot will cripple more waterfowl and damage shotguns.
Source: http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov/resource/othr ... xicosi.htm
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The clinical symptoms of lead poisoning in waterfowl have often been described, and a thorough summary is found in Forbes and Sanderson (1978: 255-256). Some of the earlier studies (Grinnell 1901; Phillips and Lincoln 1930) describe lead-poisoned ducks, geese, and swans (Cygnus spp.) as unable to fly, as sick often with little loss of body weight, as having a rattling in the throat, as so weak as to be easily captured, and as occasionally dribbling a yellowish fluid from the bill - which is held open much of the time. Remains of lead pellets are often found in the gizzards of lead-poisoned waterfowl. The inner lining of the gizzard is dark, soft, decayed, easily eroded, inflamed, corroded, and incomplete. Often the bird cannot fly (and later cannot walk) because of progressive paralysis of the muscles of the wings and legs. On land the tips of the primaries drag the ground and on water the wings float loosely on the surface. The proventriculus is often distended, thin and watery green-stained feces are common, and the voice of geese is often changed.
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http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov/resource/othr ... mptoms.htm
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Stano:
Don't threaten us with your "lead pencil". There isn't any lead in it.
. . . pencil lead isn't really lead, it's a nontoxic mixture of graphite and clay.
The connection between graphite and lead stems from the days of the Roman Empire (and likely before that), when lead rods were used by scribes to write on papyrus. Both graphite and lead leave a gray mark on paper, although graphite is a bit darker. Graphite didn't come into widespread use for writing until after the 1564 discovery of a very pure graphite deposit in Borrowdale, England. At the time, graphite was thought to be a type of lead and consequently was called black lead or plumbago.
TODAY, GRAPHITE AND clay are crushed into a fine powder in a rotating drum containing large rocks. Water is added and the mixture is blended for up to three days. The water is pressed out of the mixture, leaving a gray sludge that is air-dried until it hardens.
The dried sludge is ground into a powder, water is added again, and the mixture is blended to form a soft paste. Carbon black may be added to increase the dark-ness of the lead. The paste is extruded through a metal tube to form thin rods that are cut into pencil-length pieces--called leads--that are then dried. The leads are heated in an oven to 1,800 &°F (about 1,000 °C) or higher to make them smooth and hard. The ratio of graphite to clay can be adjusted to vary the hardness of the lead: the more clay, the harder the lead; the harder the lead, the less graphite comes off onto the paper, making a lighter line.
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http://pubs.acs.org/cen/whatstuff/stuff/7942sci4.html
Don't threaten us with your "lead pencil". There isn't any lead in it.
. . . pencil lead isn't really lead, it's a nontoxic mixture of graphite and clay.
The connection between graphite and lead stems from the days of the Roman Empire (and likely before that), when lead rods were used by scribes to write on papyrus. Both graphite and lead leave a gray mark on paper, although graphite is a bit darker. Graphite didn't come into widespread use for writing until after the 1564 discovery of a very pure graphite deposit in Borrowdale, England. At the time, graphite was thought to be a type of lead and consequently was called black lead or plumbago.
TODAY, GRAPHITE AND clay are crushed into a fine powder in a rotating drum containing large rocks. Water is added and the mixture is blended for up to three days. The water is pressed out of the mixture, leaving a gray sludge that is air-dried until it hardens.
The dried sludge is ground into a powder, water is added again, and the mixture is blended to form a soft paste. Carbon black may be added to increase the dark-ness of the lead. The paste is extruded through a metal tube to form thin rods that are cut into pencil-length pieces--called leads--that are then dried. The leads are heated in an oven to 1,800 &°F (about 1,000 °C) or higher to make them smooth and hard. The ratio of graphite to clay can be adjusted to vary the hardness of the lead: the more clay, the harder the lead; the harder the lead, the less graphite comes off onto the paper, making a lighter line.
Source:
http://pubs.acs.org/cen/whatstuff/stuff/7942sci4.html
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i thought it was just the us government involved in the lead shot conspiracy didnt know i t could be traced back to the roman empire
damn romans hope no ducks eat any of that paper they used write on
glad its safe now
stano you sure its not one of those little golf pencils
lets go for the record!
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damn romans hope no ducks eat any of that paper they used write on
glad its safe now
stano you sure its not one of those little golf pencils
lets go for the record!
the doc
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What kind of church has members licking stained glass windows.-BWAAAHAAAHAAAA
Goose, now thats one for the ages!
I think that some of these guys are still arguing hoping to find a good point too stand on and say "I knew I was right". I believe that some hurting egos are keeping the arguments going.
Great points Goose and I will agree
Two questions though- I grow hogs on large scale farms. Am I now the enemy
Are you a member of the Sierra Club?
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Goose, now thats one for the ages!
I think that some of these guys are still arguing hoping to find a good point too stand on and say "I knew I was right". I believe that some hurting egos are keeping the arguments going.
Great points Goose and I will agree
Two questions though- I grow hogs on large scale farms. Am I now the enemy
Are you a member of the Sierra Club?
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