Lets start an argument

[MSDawg870]

I'm taking a wildlife nutrition class this semester and we talked about pods a couple of weeks ago. Succinylcholine chloride aka Anecteen causes a general tetany-heart, diaphram, ect. cramp up for an extended period of time.

Prof. says they used to use it all the time while imobilizing deer, the trick is you use too much and the deer is dead don't, you don't use enough and the deer wakes up early and you get hurt.

I haven't used em and don't really care to. I don't think its 'unethical'. Hell the indians probably don't either.

[LawDawg]

These drugs also will interact in a negative way with Anectine....so please ask any deer before you shoot him/her if they are taking any of these medications.....

•acetazolamide
•beta blockers, often used for high blood pressure or heart problems
•capreomycin
•certain antibiotics given by injection
•cyclophosphamide
•doxapram
•echothiophate
•female hormones, including contraceptive or birth control pills
•heart medicine such as digoxin
•lithium
•magnesium salts
•medicines for mental problems and psychotic disturbances
•medicines for pain
•medicines that relax your muscles during surgery
•medicines to control heart rhythm
•neostigmin
•pilocarpine
•procaine
•thiotepa
•trimethaphan

hahahahahaha

[Squealer]

Don't use it myself and have no problem with those who do as long as they use it as "insurance" and not just so they can hit the deer anywhere.

Isn't Mississippi the only state left that it is legal to use?

[ducknbuck1]

I will use it. like others have said.. For insurance purposes

[msbigdawg1234]

Shot it back in the old days but not now.

[KWAKHED]

I don't understand how ya'll say it will take down a 180lbs animal but not a 180lbs man. Just doesn't make sense. I was actually in a camp with a guy that was loading his own pods and breathed in too much and had to be rushed to the ER. That was just by breathing it in!

[AMOS]

Sounds like he got it mixed up with his coke.
He would have to take on hell of a breath to inhale it from 2 or so feet away. Damn!

[Deadeye]

I shoot the ANECT-errrr-MUZZY 100 grain. I've shot it years ago and haven't shot it recently... I've learned that a well placed deer stand and a well place muzzy is just as effective and less harmful to me and my family. My brother in law keeps a bottle of this stuff in his fridge... accidents do happen!


Deadeye

[peewee]

I have shot it in the past, been several years. I dont have a problem with someone using it. I just always figured that extra weight on my arrow could screw with accuracy.

[KWAKHED]

He actually had it on the table right in front of him. Say what you will but it did happen.

[lilwhitelie]

I am strongly against it. I think it is unethical, and unsafe. You arent a bowhunter if you havent lost a deer or two, it happens! You need to become more efficient with your equipment if you have to rely on poison to make your bad shot feel good. Anybody thats hunting with poison aint hunting with me!

Deer takes a step, arrow hits a twig, deer jumps the string. If it can happen it will no matter how proffecient you are with your equipment. I use it and will continue to. I make good ethical shots and don't use it as an excuse to do otherwise but this is MS and it only takes a few steps for a deer to be in a cutover or thicket and hard to find in Oct. and if they aren't found soon they will spoil. Just cause coons got to eat don't make it right to let em get away if you can help it. It is legal in Ms so why not use it. Are they allowed in the books??? NO. Not in P&Y but Ms records only. Just as you can use a 45/70 now instead of a muzzleloader, many do. Its legal and a lot easier than a muzzleloader so why not. Should those animals be allowed in Primative weapons records??? This debate will go on and on. Don't use it if you don't wanna but don't say its not ethical. Anything that aids in a speedy recovery and less suffering do to a twig, a step, jumpped string etc is ethical in any book.

[lilwhitelie]

I have a question for the people that have used it... Do you throw away the meat directly in contact with poison pod or is it safe to eat... That has always scared me.. Thats why I haven't ever used it... I work a lot with temik and I know how that works. I just don't know exactly how the pod works..

Has no affect on the meat. Used in hospitals for intubation purposes and to scare the crap out of drunk combative patients that give us crap in the er. It is a muscle relaxant that paralyzes your muscles for a brief amount of time. It is out of the system very quickly which is why specific tests had to be designed to detect it due to murders etc. The key is to overdose the animal to stop the lungs and then the heart. It will kill you the same way if you get the entire dose in you somehow.

[lilwhitelie]

what poison do you use?? I have always heard of using anectine, which emergency rooms use on a regular basis. It paralyzes your muscles, e.g. your heart, for a short period of time (like 10-30 mins), but it dissolves in the blood, and will not taint the meat. so theoretically, if you cut yourself with a poisened arrow, you could have someone give you CPR until your heart kicked back in, and you would be fine.

You are correct but unless you hunt in the same stand there will be no1 there to administer your cpr so you die.

[lilwhitelie]

He actually had it on the table right in front of him. Say what you will but it did happen.

He must have had a reation to something or scared etc. Will do nothing to you if you breathe it in or eat it for that matter unless you have a bleeding ulcer etc. Not saying something didn't happen but it wasn't due to the anectine. The problem is if you don't get it directly from a pharmacy etc you don't know what your getting. Just like dope. May have been something else he had in front of him aint no pharmacys selling anectine anywhere. Always puzzled me why all the archery shops can sell it but it is a controlled substance. Big GRAY area there.

[RiverDuck]

I am strongly against it. I think it is unethical, and unsafe. You arent a bowhunter if you havent lost a deer or two, it happens! You need to become more efficient with your equipment if you have to rely on poison to make your bad shot feel good. Anybody thats hunting with poison aint hunting with me!

Deer takes a step, arrow hits a twig, deer jumps the string. If it can happen it will no matter how proffecient you are with your equipment. I use it and will continue to. I make good ethical shots and don't use it as an excuse to do otherwise but this is MS and it only takes a few steps for a deer to be in a cutover or thicket and hard to find in Oct. and if they aren't found soon they will spoil. Just cause coons got to eat don't make it right to let em get away if you can help it. It is legal in Ms so why not use it. Are they allowed in the books??? NO. Not in P&Y but Ms records only. Just as you can use a 45/70 now instead of a muzzleloader, many do. Its legal and a lot easier than a muzzleloader so why not. Should those animals be allowed in Primative weapons records??? This debate will go on and on. Don't use it if you don't wanna but don't say its not ethical. Anything that aids in a speedy recovery and less suffering do to a twig, a step, jumpped string etc is ethical in any book.

Its called HUNTING for a reason!!!! Deer will be lost. If I hit one in the foot of nicked its ear I wouldnt expect to recover the damn thing. It may not be unethical to you because you have done it all your life, but I will call a spade a spade, and hunting with poison is unethical.

I agree with you on the 45-70 deal being called a primitive weapon, I think its BS too, but what do I know.