That is my President

[Po Monkey Lounger]

In 1991 Iraq invaded Kuwait and threatened to invade Saudi Arabia, before we kicked their ass all the way back to Baghdad ---with the support of the entire civilized world, including the UN. In fact, the ONLY reason we did not finish the job then was because the UN mandate had been completed when Saddam/Iraq surrendered ---UNCONDITIONALLY. He was allowed to stay in power only under very strict guidelines which he and IRAQ agreed to as part of the surrender terms. He has been in gross violation of these terms now for quite some time --unchecked during the gutless Clinton administration --- and is still in violation as we correspond on this board. For those who say we should give the inspectors and the inspection process more time, I say how much more time? The ONLY reason Saddam is now finally complying somewhat with the UN demand to disarm is due to the fact that we have forces massed and ready to go to war with him at anytime. Remove those forces, and the token compliance efforts will cease. We cannot afford to keep those forces in place forever while the Frenchies and Hans Blix look for Saddam's hidden weapons of mass destruction that he has yet to account for ----there are enough unaccounted for weapons reasonably believed to be in IRAQ's possession that it would take the UN inspectors years to find them all at the rate they are progressing. The UN inspectors are like blind hogs searching for acorns ---they will find one every now and then. Bush is right ---Saddam's time is up.

For those that think he is no threat to the US, do you really think that Saddam would not jump at the opportunity to put weapons of mass destruction into the hands of terrorists(who IRAQ has harbored after 9/11) who would use them against us ---on our soil? Of course he would. He most likely has already has done so. Does he have such weapons? All of our intelligence sources indicate that he does. Literally every Iraqi defector indicates that he has such weapons and plans to use them against the US if we attack. Conventional wisdom says he will use them against us, directly or indirectly, even if we do not attack. If we do not deal with Saddam now, we will have to deal with him later. We should take him out now, while we have the muscle, and before he gets any stronger.

Do not be fooled by the passioned pleas of France, Germany, and Russia for peace. They are all tied to IRAQ with respect to oil contracts and have huge financial interests at stake. I also suspect that after we dispell Saddam from power, we are going to find out that all three of these countries have been engaged in illegal trade with IRAQ. Their hands are dirty with illegal dealings with Saddam's regime since the UN sanctions were originally imposed. National security and stability in the Middle East are the motivations of the US for war, not oil. Ironically, oil is the motivation for blind peace, at all costs, by the French, Germans, and Russians.

9/11 ushered in a new world threat ---terrorists with weapons of mass destruction. To combat this threat, our foreign policy must change to protect the US. No longer can we isolate ourselves, speak softly, and carry a big stick. We now must adopt the Michael Corleone approach ---get them before they get us, while we have the muscle. As Bush has so eloquently stated, we must smoke 'em out and then get them.

[featherduster]

9/11 ushered a new threat of Weapons of mass destruction? Hell, we need to ground all commercial flights immediatedly then. If just a small portion of the forces sent to the Persian Gulf right now were deployed here at home combating the real problems America has, we'd all be better off. We are screwing around with a third world country not much bigger than Texas because we fear his ignorance of leadership? We fear his weapons will be used on us? We've got enough nukes to knock the earth off its axis and were worried about Saddam? We are the only country in the history of the world to use Atomic destruction on anyone. Have you ever seen the pictures of Hiroshima or Nagasaki? We struck against a country that had 90% of its forces deployed in a World War theater. How many troops did we kill? Very few. Mostly natives of Japan, women children and few old folks. Surely it was means to a terrible end, and it saved countless American lives as well as lives of other Allied countries. Do I think we did the wrong thing? Hell no. Do I think we are screwing up now? Hell yes. Our borders are still our weakest point. Norht Korea is a much bigger threat than Iraq could possibly be in the next 20 years. If weapons form Iraq were used against us we could turn their entire country into glass before you could wake up and see it on CNN the next morning. We waged COld War with the second biggest Superpower in the world for 40 years and their own government collapsed without ever firing a shot. Is this war really about fearing a third world leader who could possibly harm the strongest superpower on the planet? Hell, we liberated Kuwait in 91 and look what that got us. Their people so easily forgot who it was that saved their ass. They are Muslims too. They still hate us even though their diplomatic heads of state welcome us with open arms to wage war against Iraq. Have you not read the small bylines about the attacks on American marines in Kuwait. By Kuwati citizens no less. Now thats appreciation!!!! Was Clinton gutless in the 90s? Every violation of the no fly zone was met with the harshest punishment. Every new radar site that Iraq built was dealt destruction by US planes. Clinton left the job to be done in Iraq to the people sworn to do the job, the UN. As it is obvious by now we don't own the UN. We offered Turkey 6billion in aid to let us use their bases and they countered with 10 billion. Is this war about liberating the world from Saddam or money? Russian diplomats leaked out information that was printed in the USA Today that Billions in aid might swing a veto vote into a confirmation vote for the US. Is this war about liberating the world form one idiot or cold hard cash. Gas prices are up ridiculously high right now with no oil shortage in sight. Could fat Republicans benefit from a liberated Iraq. Rumsfeld himself said they want to put the oil of Iraq back into the hand of the Iraqi people. Translation, lower oil prices from the ground to the producers of products (republican fat cats) equals higher profits at inflated prices. Byline on Cnn this morning is that due to uncertainty in the Middle East, Alaskan preserve drilling being pressured onto Congess now.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Bush own huge amounts of stock in oil production? Who is this proposed war really helping? A poll of 10000 Brits this morning said that they thought Blair was out of line by supporting war without UN approval. Guess he'll be on the chopping block just like Bush come next election there. Without paying attention to matters at home Bush will surely be a one termer thank GOD!!! That is if you can afford gas to drive to the polls.

[Delta Duck]

When this thing is over, the market will work for a positive, gas prices will fall, economy will get back on track.

That tree hugging doom and gloom CNN is not a news network. It is a liberal doom and gloom promotional station. You can learn more about the truth and what is really going on in the real world by watching the weather channel!

[tunica]

Your views are noted featherduster and I along with many on the post support your right to have a opinion. I'm not sure if the President has huge investements in oil production or not maybe one of our investment members know. My opinion if its worth a damn is:

We the people do not have all of the information that available to the government. I also suspect our government does not share every piece of intell with any member of the UN including Britian. So the question is do we trust those in power to do the right thing? I can recall my father telling me kill that cottonrattler he's fixin to bite your young ass, did I trust my dad or did I see if the snake would bite.

Right or wrong prior to the bullets starting to fly debate the issue once they start wave the flag and once its over then and only then call those into account for there actions. United We stand divided We fall.

72 virgins in heaven aint a bad deal I say let them have their virgins. Someone is going to get a used virgin before its all over.

[gadwall2]

Well GB, I been waiting on you. What took ya so long? I think we both like a good debate. I guess thats why a lot of folks tell me I'm a little argumentative.

I see where you are coming from on the by-product side. My point on the bottom line statement is that he has proven that he has no regard for human life or a world governing body such as the UN. The only reason he is attempting to respect it now is because he has squatted over a bear trap to take a crap and has left his nuts hanging in the jaws and he is trying not to wink that turd off.

Will Bush be considered as bad as Saddam for ignoring the security council vote? I do not know, but I am concerned about it. This could be a major turning point for the UN. The UN has to step to the plate. But it has proven that it isn't willin to do that. Are we gonna stand by and let Saddam continue his evil ways? I don't want to do that. If we continue to let him build, stockpile, and hide those weapons, they will eventually be used. And guess who is the target everyone wants...the US. We better take care of what we got now or be forced to deal with another 9/11.

Its no secret that we went to liberate Kumait because of the oil fields. What is the life blood of the US...oil. I feel priorities have changed now. I am pretty sure everyone reading would rather pay $3.00/gal for gas than go through another 9/11. Thing is, we shouldn't have to. Should everyone suffer because of one crazy dictator's ambitions...no. That is terrorism minus the blood shed.

Why aren't we massing troops in S. Korea? Beats me. We and other countries will have to deal with them sooner or later. Nuclear war is absolute, not for one country, but for the world and will have to be dealt with in a much more political fashion.

Bush has said it a hundred times, he is going to protect the American way of life. Going to war now has two priorities: 1) Deal with a terroristic threat 2) Protect our economic interests.

GB, we gonna hafta agree to disagree on some things. Why don't you run for a political office...I'll vote for ya.(If you run on the republican ticket)

Whoever made the Muslim statement, I can't recall the entirety of the statement, but don't lump them all into the same category.

[goosebruce]

I think someone hit it on the head.... it boils down to if you trust the people charged to take care of us all. I don't, so I got natural worries. Some of ya'll do. And some folks think, he's the president and he's my president, so whatever is fine. Ya can read the posts and see who falls in what categorys I guess! hehe.

Mind you, if I thought iraq backed the al-kadia and osoma... if i thought osoma and sadamm where sitting on the couch laughing and smoking a j together... if i thought this was vengece for 9/11, I'd be a mad mutha "@#$%#" it ain't flat as a pancake right now. Thats why i can't understand the arguement, its all one big gig, and we should. If we should, then we should have already. Anyone, any country, that actively particpates in terrorism against the US should know whats coming. We don't need anyones permission for that, nor should we ask for it. Being a superpower means just that, when it comes to attacks against us, it ought to be who's next when the bombs start to fall.

Would iraq do all that? Probably. But you can't bomb every country on what they might do. if you gonna bomb them for what they might do, you will never stop. And if thats the case, start with the most recent countrys to sell weapons, and the ones with the baddest $#!+... Sadams gonna be way down both lists.

What I'm afraid of, is a war with sadam will take away from the hunt for the real people behind 9/11. This fella they arrested the other day, the state dept said it was as big a catch as bin laden... Say whut? Nobody had ever heard of this feller, and bin laden has millions on his head. But since we have him, and dont have bin laden, its real easy to say its as big a catch. It's not. Might be a big catch, but it aint the one. And until its the last one, it still aint $#!+. Anything that detracts from that is not in our national security.

of all the things Clinton did wrong, his handling of sadam was right on the money. If they flew where they weren't supposed too, he blew their $#!+ outta the air. If they built something they where supposed to, he blew it up too. He was steadfast with them, and made no bones he would go the distance. In 98 he ordered a similar gig to what we have today, but sadam complied before it got this far. I can't think of anything he could have done differently.

My brother laughed last week and said he thought bush really had bin laden in a room somewhere, and was going to pull him out 2 weeks before the election and say lookie what I got. Wouldnt be surpirsed. travis

[gyver]

i think that the biggest difference between dealing with iraq and korea is one has a nuclear weapon and one is trying to develop one. now ask yourself this, do you compromise with the guy attempting to assemble the shotgun or do you jump the guy pointing one at you. i think it's the other way around ? as far as clinton goes the only times he had iraq bombed was when ever the media started broadcasting another one of his scandals. he knew about n.koreas weapons program and didn't do sh%$ now we have to deal with it, he didn't do sh%#$ to disarm iraq either and he had 8 years. i think it was jordan that tried to give us osama in 96 but the pres. at that time said lets wait till he does something really bad like 9/11. thank GOD gore didn't get elected. at least Bush stood his ground the other night on t.v., he put's his faith in God,guns, and guts to keep us free. i bet that the koreans would have an easier time getting through the west coast than getting through the south. we have more balls and are better armed.

[Delta Duck]

I had no idea there was such WISDOM in Bobo, Mississippi.

Gyver, you must be the Mayor.

[gyver]

i was in the navy sub fleet. we had a saying,"24 empty missile tubes, a mushroom cloud and now it's miller time". if you feel your right then "never back down, never back up. always stand your ground".be proud to be country boy's, the great chuck yeager said it was the 11% of pilots that were rurally raised that shot down 90% of the planes in WW2. i'm proud to be a duck hunting, deer skinning, turkey chasing Bobo,MS. country boy in the USA. i 'll give "em hell before i give up.
russia, france, and germany are making more off of iraq than we are thats why they want to veto. the french are a bunch of candy asses, how many died defending france from germany? how many Americans died?
we did to the tallyhackers in 6 months what russia couldn't get done in 10 years. and those germans didn't have any problem murdering millions of people 60 years ago but now they think the death penalty is wrong? give me a break. the democrats try to say it is all about oil now, what was it about with clinton then, liberation my booty. clinton wasn't anything but the u.n gopher boy with his draft dodging butt. at least george w. did serve his country. think about what the democrats have contributed as far as pres. go. lyndon b.,(vietnam)tried to fight the war from washington and caused thousands of unnecessary deaths with his "police action". jimmy carter, iran crisis. they held all of them american's hostage until reagan was swore in then they wised up. slick willy, hell he couldn't remember if he had sex in the oval office or that a B.J. was even considered sex. al gore, during the election he couldn't flat out tell anybody what he stood for without consulting his aids first. i'm damn proud to live in AMERICA and will always vote for pro-gun, pro-hunting, anti-affirmative action, God fearing political candidates who aren't afraid to bomb the hell out of anyone that threatens our way of life.

put prayer back in school, trust in god,teach your kids manners. and take a kid hunting.

just had to vent a little.