Am I just stupid?

[Wingman]

Or does it really take alcoholic beverages to convince grown men to meet together for conservation?

And I quote:

Rankin County DU Banquet

Come on out to Cindy's fish house to the Rankin Co. DU dinner on Monday Nov. 10th. to join us for fun,fellowship,(and beer)

Bolivar County DU Banquet

Prime rib dinner, adult beverages, DU girls, tons of raffles, high end auction, DU girls.

6:00 drinks are served

Mid Delta DW Banquet

Wingman it seems the alcohol and half naked ladies make those wallets open up like magic. I've seen people spend rent money on crap at that these things.

South Delta DU Banquet-I wonder what "!`@#" is supposed to be?

Doors open at 6:00 p.m.
!~@# at 6:00 p.m.
Dinner at 7:00 p.m.
Auction at 7:30 p.m.

Come on people. You are grown men. You have kids at your banquets. And you wonder what is wrong with our society. "The schools!" you say. "The drugs!" you say. "The gangs!" you say. NO, IT'S YOU! You are teaching your VERY IMPRESSIONABLE youngsters that in order to have a good time, you've got to serve alcohol and have women.

Okay, for you with daughters. Explain to your little girl, "Now, honey, you go on up there to that banquet when you turn 18, and prance around in a bikini so all the men will have a good time and support our organization."

Get a life, people. Wake up. You are acting like teenagers when you are supposed to act like adults. This is why I've never been to a banquet.

I guarantee...you stop serving alcohol and stop showboating women, and you will fill every chair...but with a different type of crowd.

What do the anti's think? Yeah, they care about hunting alright, as long as they're drunk or seduced.

Man, that really makes a stand for hunters.

Wingman

[MSDuckmen]

Am I just stupid?

Do you really want us to answer that question?

[the doctor]

Stupid, no. Unrealistic, yes.

the doc

[iron grip]

wingman from reading your posts it is safe to say i can deduct you are not stupid, and it seems you know a little about alot of things or alot about a few things i' m not sure which. anyway i am in sales and coincidentely i have a beer serving resturant next to me, and i love nothing more than to have a slightly fuzzy headed patron visit me after eating and consuming adult beverages. they have already lost some inibitions about talking to a stranger and their billfolds are much looser. all of your needs seem more important and attainable after feasting and drinking. so by now you can probably deduct that these factors at an auction/fund raiser are by design not coincidence. aaahh haaaa!!

[Wingman]

Unrealistic?? Give me a break!

You just don't think it's realistic because you're afraid to try it.

Live on the edge, doc. Have a party without alochol. Wooo, that's dangerous, I know.

I know it will work. I had 68 dove hunters opening day, 38 the first Saturday, and 30 the second Saturday....they all knew beforehand that no alcohol was allowed on the field.

At least half of them were from church groups. I'm talking 10-12 people at a time booking from one church. All men, all hunters.

Sure, some of those hunters probably wanted to bring a cooler full of beer, and I saw a few beer cans in the trash barrel...that I didn't know were out there.

Well, I guess when you aren't confident in yourself, when you have no self-esteem, then you need a can in your hand.

Are hangovers actually fun? Really, I've never had one, so tell me what the great advantages are to getting drunk.

Naw, not everybody gets drunk you say. I realize that. But y'all probably wouldn't want a bunch of "Dudley dorights" at the banquet, now would you. Would be too boring.

Wingman

[mfalkner]

Wingman expresses views which many here agree with, and many do not.

But, Wingman, the good news is that we're not outgunned or outclassed!

Stick to it, more people need to realize that it's OK to have a good time without being "altered".

I love our country and freedom of choice, just remember that choices have consequences. I've bailed out of a couple of hunting camps because of the drinking and bad language, and quit going to hunt tests for the same reasons. I'm no prude, but it's just not what I want my kids to be around.

Mike F.

[Wingman]

so by now you can probably deduct that these factors at an auction/fund raiser are by design not coincidence.

Thanks, irongrip. You just proved to me why the allow drinks at these fundraisers. So in actuality, after downing a few, we don't really have an iron grip at all, do we?

You are allowing yourselves to be taken over by something else. Ever wonder why they call alcohol "spirits"? Think about it.

Wingman

[spoonie]

You know some of you people need to get off that high horse,crap man they just said that there will be alcohol at the event.It didnt say you had to drink it to come to the event and if you dont want to be around dont go.You know thats like saying I am not going to that restruant becouse they serve beer.

Its getting to the point that if you don't have a fish on the back of your truck you don't need to be on this site.


75.00-that 5.00 a bird?

[crow]

I left my committee over this issue (and others) years ago. We have reconciled and we are a better committee, better serving the cause. We still serve beer, but it is not a practice to abuse it. Girls still are part of the auction, but the dress code is much more conservative (no, I wouldn't mind my daughter being a part of this one). Anyone who is obviously under the influence or who is rude/crude is escorted out to a waiting cab. It took 5 years to get to this point, but this year we had a respectable banquet that I would not be embarrassed to take my wife to (that would be a cold day), and we raised a record dollar figure as well! There is a balance that can be reached. It is all about moderation...except for our committment to conservation.

[Wingman]

Hey, spoonie, I ain't on a high horse, but I sure ain't crawlin' around on the ground with the rest of the crowd.

5$ a bird.

If you limit. Go fix a sunflower field for 75$ or even 100$ and then cry to me about it.

Oh, and I don't have a fish sticker on my truck, in case you wondered.

Wingman

[Super Black Eagle]

There are several DU banquets around that do not allow alchohol at the events. One right here in my town. That is cool. It gives the people who don't want to take there kids where the loud drinking crowd is, an 'out'. This chapter has a good thing going. I would do some things different but I am not on the committee.

I have attended both styles of banquets. If you want some excellent deals on some du stuff, go to these banquets. I saw two framed and matted prints go for $150 a piece. same print at the 'party' two weeks later, in the town next to us, $600. One more example, the banquet here was in a small cafeteria; the 'party' right down the highway, in the huge brand new Civic Center.

If you are going to have a 'family' style DU event, then that is awsome! We need more of that around. But make it a family event, maybe an afternoon for the whole family with a picnic style dinner, and live auction under a tent, with the greenwing stuff all at the same place.

If you are wanting to make some money, have it at night give away all the liquor you can afford and let people blow there mortgage payment on a DU toilet paper holder.

I agree Crow, there is a happy medium, and things do not have to get out of hand just because drinks are served. and women do not have to walk around showing everything they have. This is the exact reason we have different chapters run my different people. if you don't like one then go find one you do, if you can't find one then start your own chapter, but don't call names and point fingers when people don't do things exactly the way you think they should be done.
SBE

[MAG]

Wingman,

You are getting into a discussion that runs a lot deeper than DU banquets.

Why do people get drunk...that is the underlying question it seems you are asking.

I am not sure you will ever really get an answer that will satisfy. There are so many different reasons, it all depends on the individual.

As for the DU events, plain and simple, booze=money. Like it has already been said, when people get loose, thier wallets open up quicker and they buy things they probably wouldn't if they were in a more sober state of mind.
And you better believe that Ducks Unlimited as an organization knows this. Budwieser is one of DU's biggest sponsors.

Whether or not it is ethical,moral,dignified is up to the perceiver.


MAG

[jkm1272]

Wingman,

South Delta's DU banquet is very family oreinted we get women and children to ours. As for as !@#^ I tried to put another word for drinks on this website, but it would let me put the work cochtail (substitute a k for the h). Next time I am just going to call it a roostertail.

Plus just because there are drinks available, it does not me the kids get to drink them. As an adult a person should be able to explain to a kid he does not need to indulge in drinking until he is older (21).

[Bully]

I enjoy a few beers myself quite often, but I don't think that it makes me lower than everyone else or "crawling on the ground". It is not like all of the plumbing in your house is hooked up to a keg. If you don't want beer, don't drink any. I am definately not a lowlife for drinking a few beers. {sarcasm}I may be a lowlife for other reasons, but I will save that for another discussion.{sarcasm}

[BoogaBottom]

You are right..this discussion leads quickly to a fundamental moral question....

Although I do occasionaly "wet my whistle" at the camp after a hunt.....I do agree that one doesnt need to get drunk, and act a fool, to have a good time....

As with most things in life, done in moderation there is no problem....too much of anything creates problems no matter what it is...

And, I have ZERO tolerance for anyone who hunts under the influence of any substance.......

Ive seen pits in Arkansas where 6 guys were taking hits from a bottle of Jack Black at 6 am .....and breasting triple limits in the blind....

Obviously alcohol and firearms do not mix.....

But, I see nothing wrong whatsoever with having a few drinks in moderation at the camp......having a drink in and of itself cant really be that wrong.....

Im afraid this is an argument that we will never resolve here as it runs much deeper than just DU events....

Certainly food for thought.....