Lot of race threads lately

[cwink]

CWINK...I think its great that your church and many others participate in programs to better poorer, mostly black areas of town. My youth group used to do a several week long ministry for kids every summer over by Tanglewood apartments, well before they tore them down. Sure we had to have a squad car and officer parked out front the whole time but whatever, just tax dollars. Deep down I know its a good thing to try and help where you can but I always left feeling like their parents dropped them off to get them out of the house and the only part the kids connected with was snack time. We also spent countless hours fixing up houses, raking yards and cleaning up trash in the blocks surrounding that but nothing ever got better. Tell you when it got better tho, when Tanglewood apts got leveled and guys at the house that the cops always told us to stay away from got in a shootout with the cops and the criminals lost.

See it didn't matter how many pieces of trash we picked up or cups or jungle juice we passed out, the only thing that area responded to was a show of force and a willingness to follow thru with it.
The guys on here that train dogs know best...you don't reward an animal for bad behavior or pussyfoot around with discipline, you punish and make them start over until they get it right.

You are right you can't help somone that won't help themselves.. But there are plenty of people that need help and are willing to do thier part, they just need a little help to get started. The only problem I have with the whole racism thing is that to label a whole race of people because of the actions of some is not right. There are lots of bad people in this world of all shape, sizes and colors..

[Doc & Nash]

I agree....that's discrimination against whites. How the hell is that accepted? We have to be better than them to get the same job. I swear, this crap is going downhill fast.

Not accepted - Supreme Court just said it's illegal:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529409,00.html

So true and the one they over turned is currently sitting in a Senate hearing to be confirmed to the same court that over turned her..... How is that right.....

[Doc & Nash]

See it didn't matter how many pieces of trash we picked up or cups or jungle juice we passed out, the only thing that area responded to was a show of force and a willingness to follow thru with it.
The guys on here that train dogs know best...you don't reward an animal for bad behavior or pussyfoot around with discipline, you punish and make them start over until they get it right.

I have never heard it put better.....

[Hambone]

I think that most folks are expressing frustration with certain negative cultural norms that we see daily in Mississippi. They are rightly worried about a growing national trend of bringing things down to a low common denominator, rather than trying to inspire people to lift themselves up and be productive.

[duckhunterdoc]

Last several post IMO nailed a lot. 1. can't save an animal ( i doubt i discuss Jesus with the next crackhead that busts up into my house) ( first one was white, so that is not Raceist 2. Maybe can help some unfortunate people--but only probably if they want help (ask Jesus- he will say who, where , when) 3. See #2, heck , they got me doing it too, why does anything white on black have the term Race, but black on white or red on yellow does not? Maybe because History first termed it so. 4. hating a whole race due to Color is not Christian. But we are not the first to "Hate the Hater" MLK may have had it down, but i don't think many followers did, or we would not have "reverse discrimination"....Also to think there is not 'tendency' in the black race in the south is BLINDNESS( even if you argue socioeconomics and not genetics) however to judge simply due to color is dangerous waters in my book. Now to add my own observations, i think a lot of the post refered to as "distasteful" are probably that to some and would be a slap in the face to some visitors from Townelsewhere USA, for for the most part they are from People venting and when they say reggin or whatever slan they mean a subset of the Black race, that they would usually include a subset of the human race(white trash)....meaning they probably don't hate , or say off color things about every Black they Know or see. I try not to use the N word, but for it to be purely Racist (evil) then BLacks need to take it out of their music and Quit using it themselves. BACK to the original question "why ""lot of race threads Lately"....-something has made a lot of people RAW...maybe his name is O and it appears his policy of giving more and more to the Non-workers (as we work) ,and seeing these people(who includes a lot of the black race) throw it into our face has made us sick...throwing the country further into debt(for the sake of HIS voters) is further dividing the races, not pulling them together......hey, but then again it's summer, hot, maybe we're just all on edge as summer usually brings an increase in crimminal activity and crazy people...and by the way, if anybody moves their family to a terrible neighborhood,well..just post the pictures if you do..that is back to helping people that want help, and, a difference in turning the other cheek vs jumping off a cliff to see if the Angels save you.

[SNOT]

Last several post IMO nailed a lot. 1. can't save an animal ( i doubt i discuss Jesus with the next crackhead that busts up into my house) ( first one was white, so that is not Raceist 2. Maybe can help some unfortunate people--but only probably if they want help (ask Jesus- he will say who, where , when) 3. See #2, heck , they got me doing it too, why does anything white on black have the term Race, but black on white or red on yellow does not? Maybe because History first termed it so. 4. hating a whole race due to Color is not Christian. But we are not the first to "Hate the Hater" MLK may have had it down, but i don't think many followers did, or we would not have "reverse discrimination"....Also to think there is not 'tendency' in the black race in the south is BLINDNESS( even if you argue socioeconomics and not genetics) however to judge simply due to color is dangerous waters in my book. Now to add my own observations, i think a lot of the post refered to as "distasteful" are probably that to some and would be a slap in the face to some visitors from Townelsewhere USA, for for the most part they are from People venting and when they say reggin or whatever slan they mean a subset of the Black race, that they would usually include a subset of the human race(white trash)....meaning they probably don't hate , or say off color things about every Black they Know or see. I try not to use the N word, but for it to be purely Racist (evil) then BLacks need to take it out of their music and Quit using it themselves. BACK to the original question "why ""lot of race threads Lately"....-something has made a lot of people RAW...maybe his name is O and it appears his policy of giving more and more to the Non-workers (as we work) ,and seeing these people(who includes a lot of the black race) throw it into our face has made us sick...throwing the country further into debt(for the sake of HIS voters) is further dividing the races, not pulling them together......hey, but then again it's summer, hot, maybe we're just all on edge as summer usually brings an increase in crimminal activity and crazy people...and by the way, if anybody moves their family to a terrible neighborhood,well..just post the pictures if you do..that is back to helping people that want help, and, a difference in turning the other cheek vs jumping off a cliff to see if the Angels save you.

That was a great freaking post! I believe people, in general, don't mind helping people in need. It's when it's forced and made law to help people that refuse to use the gift as a means to better their life which would in turn, better society all together. Instead, it seems most of these people(and a large portion are black) just take the government assistance and do nothing but complain. Give a man a fish or teach a man to fish...same concept.

[duckshooter.76]

you answered your own question in my opinion

first of all believe me I can relate to the frustration you know I hail from Cleveland and the heart of the Delta where racism is alive and well (although I think it may be more prevalent here in Jackson area after living here three years) anyhoo

as long as there are those that act as you described on both sides and no one changes then you wont have to hope it goes away I can assure it never will

as far as the behavior and the neighborhood question I would nt tolerate theat behavior nor would I subject myself to it by living in a neighborhood where those things occurred white black red or yellow

I have black neighbors, co workers and friends they dont act like that...I have white neighbors co workers and friends nor do they act like that

if they did (any of them) to answer your question YES I take action, prolly move...and for the record sitting idley by is not necassarily "the Christian thing to do"...I agree it doesnt bode well for the African American race that statistically speaking young African American males account for a large protion of these actions or crimes


the doc

How would just moving from a place help anything?,That's running away.that's wahtn they want and that's most whites do.That's why most of our metro areas are ghettos because the good people didn't have the balls to stand up and fight for their community.

[Ordek Avci]

and by the way, if anybody moves their family to a terrible neighborhood,well..just post the pictures if you do

Here is one family in Jackson that I admire greatly.

http://web.mac.com/dlancaster/Site/Downtown.html

Here are some single girls that are trusting in God and loving their neighbors.





And not to toot my own horn, but to show that I'm not just all talk, I did live in not only a developing country, but a Muslim one at that.



There are people who are giving their lives to not only make racial reconciliation a reality, but to love the unlovable, "visiting the widows and orphans in their afflictions," and advancing the Kingdom of God in very tangible ways. I just pray that more Christians will start taking the commands of Christ as seriously. Maybe one day, by God's grace, we'll be able to live in a world free from racism. If not, we still have heaven to look forward to, when people from every tribe, tongue, people, and nation will stand around the throne, united in praise.

[duckhunterdoc]

Ordek, i promise i am not calling you out, I tip my hat that you lived in another country and followed the Lord in that manner. I too served some time (only a week) in a 3rd world country,(medical missions), this is the sort of thing that makes a diff. BUT being single and doing this is one thing(or going by yourself-family at home) I think that it is largely different to move your FAMILY...to an area across town and subject others(your family) to a higher crime rate ie. dangerous living. Have i done something similar as you in another country-YES...do i admire to single girls crossing racial boundries, absolutly....would i think if they lived in "cracktown" they may be "tempting the Lord" very well could be...if the girls you pictured brought along their own children to live in "cracktown" would i have issues with that---probably so....would i make that move to "cracktown" with my Family ..pretty sure not... the Lord would have to make it very clear...and i am sure i would not make the move to prove I am not Racist- or sacrfice my children even for the chance of winning crackheads to Christ....when i think of what God did with his Son- for us..it is mind boggling---I WILL not pretend i can do that...Sorry Ordek, we will have to Disagree on this one(and i hope pleasently and in Christ), But, solo mission trips and family ventures into danger i find different. and Moving to South Jackson to help race relations as an idea on a forum is one thing---I don't mean this ugly( please forgive how it sounds) But you will have to post that picture

[lilwhitelie]

The ones that want help get it the ones that want handouts get em too. It is how they are raised and brought up. Sadly "racism" and handouts are being taught as deserved and owed. When I say "they" I am speaking of white and black. Working in the health care industry will help you in preserving racist ways if you have even the slightest bit in ya. It never ceases to amaze me the attitudes and number of "minority" races that actually think they are owed free health care etc. Ask them for employer contacts and of course they are not employed. They are taught early on why work when we are being taken care of for free. This trend will not stop until free handouts are cut back somewhat and they are taught to fend for themselves somewhat. Years ago mexicans used to come in and actually pay cash for visits way more than any other race but boy has that changed.... now they have learned to say they have no id, no phone, and NO MONEY. No way of even knowing if info is correct so they get no bill I am sure. Jackson is headed NOWHERE there is no saving it. What does that say??? I don't know of a soul that wants to live there and try and SAVE jackson. Christian or not it is about safety. Nobody wants to be where they don't feel safe. Funny if a black or white issue comes up and it was clear in the pres election that blacks stick with blacks and whites well they don't seem to do that anymore. What does that show??? It was CLEAR in election demographics in MS. Does that mean whites are more "open" to blacks or think decisions through not solely based on race?? THANK GOD I LIVE IN RANKIN COUNTY.

[Ordek Avci]

Did you not click on that first link? I put it first because I knew that you would bring up the singleness thing. That is a family who chose to move to downtown Jackson for the purpose of racial reconciliation, helping the poor, and advancing the kingdom.

There are many families that live right along side the three single girls in Cracktown. I just don't know those families, and thus don't have pictures of them.

There were also many families that lived and worked in Turkey with me. One family was from the quaint little city of Forest, MS, and took their four boys with them. Honestly, I was one of only two single guy missionaries in the whole city in the two years I was there. And also, there were three fathers killed not too far from what I lived. One left behind children, along with his wife, and they remain in that city today. You can read about them here. http://www.compassdirect.org/en/display ... &rowcur=25

Don't misunderstand me duckhunterdoc, I am not going to pass judgment on any decision you have made. I don't know you and don't pretend to. And I am not presumptuous enough to believe that I can tell you what God's plan for your life is. But I do hope that through this thread, maybe someone out there will be spurred on to do a good deed, to try and bridge that massive chasm that exists between the races, and will offer hope to someone out there who is hopeless. And maybe, just maybe, God will show this city grace and mercy and bless it with peace and prosperity.

And, as a funny little side note, I did live in South Jackson for the last year.

[lilwhitelie]

Did you not click on that first link? I put it first because I knew that you would bring up the singleness thing. That is a family who chose to move to downtown Jackson for the purpose of racial reconciliation, helping the poor, and advancing the kingdom.

There are many families that live right along side the three single girls in Cracktown. I just don't know those families, and thus don't have pictures of them.

There were also many families that lived and worked in Turkey with me. One family was from the quaint little city of Forest, MS, and took their four boys with them. Honestly, I was one of only two single guy missionaries in the whole city in the two years I was there. And also, there were three fathers killed not too far from what I lived. One left behind children, along with his wife, and they remain in that city today. You can read about them here. http://www.compassdirect.org/en/display ... &rowcur=25

Don't misunderstand me duckhunterdoc, I am not going to pass judgment on any decision you have made. I don't know you and don't pretend to. And I am not presumptuous enough to believe that I can tell you what God's plan for your life is. But I do hope that through this thread, maybe someone out there will be spurred on to do a good deed, to try and bridge that massive chasm that exists between the races, and will offer hope to someone out there who is hopeless. And maybe, just maybe, God will show this city grace and mercy and bless it with peace and prosperity.

And, as a funny little side note, I did live in South Jackson for the last year.

Do you currently live in south, jackson??? DO you have a wife and kids??? If you are single and choosing to stay go ahead just don't see why you would choose to stay and subject your family to the dangers if you didn't have to. It only takes one desperate crackhead to show you no mercy. Dated a girl that lived in S jackson and her family was the last of the white families to leave. I was almost robbed and had car broken into several times and JPD well they could care less so you are on your on as far as protection. After some close calls they finally moved to RANKIN COUNTY.

[mudsucker]

CWINK...I think its great that your church and many others participate in programs to better poorer, mostly black areas of town. My youth group used to do a several week long ministry for kids every summer over by Tanglewood apartments, well before they tore them down. Sure we had to have a squad car and officer parked out front the whole time but whatever, just tax dollars. Deep down I know its a good thing to try and help where you can but I always left feeling like their parents dropped them off to get them out of the house and the only part the kids connected with was snack time. We also spent countless hours fixing up houses, raking yards and cleaning up trash in the blocks surrounding that but nothing ever got better. Tell you when it got better tho, when Tanglewood apts got leveled and guys at the house that the cops always told us to stay away from got in a shootout with the cops and the criminals lost.

See it didn't matter how many pieces of trash we picked up or cups or jungle juice we passed out, the only thing that area responded to was a show of force and a willingness to follow thru with it.
The guys on here that train dogs know best...you don't reward an animal for bad behavior or pussyfoot around with discipline, you punish and make them start over until they get it right.

You have to watch how you word things on this thread. We might get the wrong impression!

[SNOT]

The ones that want help get it the ones that want handouts get em too. It is how they are raised and brought up. Sadly "racism" and handouts are being taught as deserved and owed. When I say "they" I am speaking of white and black. Working in the health care industry will help you in preserving racist ways if you have even the slightest bit in ya. It never ceases to amaze me the attitudes and number of "minority" races that actually think they are owed free health care etc. Ask them for employer contacts and of course they are not employed. They are taught early on why work when we are being taken care of for free. This trend will not stop until free handouts are cut back somewhat and they are taught to fend for themselves somewhat. Years ago mexicans used to come in and actually pay cash for visits way more than any other race but boy has that changed.... now they have learned to say they have no id, no phone, and NO MONEY. No way of even knowing if info is correct so they get no bill I am sure. Jackson is headed NOWHERE there is no saving it. What does that say??? I don't know of a soul that wants to live there and try and SAVE jackson. Christian or not it is about safety. Nobody wants to be where they don't feel safe. Funny if a black or white issue comes up and it was clear in the pres election that blacks stick with blacks and whites well they don't seem to do that anymore. What does that show??? It was CLEAR in election demographics in MS. Does that mean whites are more "open" to blacks or think decisions through not solely based on race?? THANK GOD I LIVE IN RANKIN COUNTY.

Your 100% right about the elections. An overwhelming majority of blacks will vote for blacks simply because they are black. Barak Obama did not win the election with the black vote, he won it with the white vote, and thats a fact. If Obama was a Republican and McCain was a Dem, Obama still would've won the black vote.

People who say we have not made improvements in how blacks are treated by whites are insane! Now it's been flip-flopped and the animosity is being aimed at us, and everyone is afraid to challenge it because noone wants to be called a racist. It is always racial issue with blacks. From Michael Jackson, to the Jena 6 thugs, to Sharpton and Jessie Jackson, to Don Imus, etc. etc. It has gotten way out of hand. It blows my mind how such a small part of this country can cause so much crap over and over.

[Meeka]

Fix your own heart, then worry about how everyone else is out to get you or doing you wrong. Hating the others with a bad heart is not the answer, but it is the easy path, and unfortunately, the popular one in the area I love. Hate does not remedy, it fuels the fire. Hate is not the answer, unfortunately it is popular.