crappy wardens

[donia]

There it is. I was just waiting for someone to pull out their overzealous card.

...you don't see those cards very often, do you? (add sarcasm emoticon here)

[BLOOD DOG]

Grenada or Leflore county. If its Grenada, defenitely go to court.

[LawDawg]

I feel terarted after reading this. I think I'm gonna go put on my helmet, get my crayons, and color.

And is bullet a GW???

Does the Pope crap in the woods?

[Po Monkey Lounger]

The original intent of the federal game laws was basically to stop market hunting. We are now so far afield from that basic end that the entire reason for the implementation of the laws has been forgotten. Our federal game laws, in many respects, have simply become a means of subjective harassment by the enforcers of those laws. As described by the shared experiences of many here in this thread, when stopped and checked by federal wardens the results usually include something along the lines of "..we could have cited you for x. y, and z, but chose not to do so" (because we didn't want to appear to be a bunch of cheesedicks). Much like our tax laws have become, the game laws have become so extensive and burdensome that even those who try to comply and be good sportsmen can often be found noncompliant. The practical use of these laws for most of the enforcement officers is to use them to really put the hammer down on those caught in more serious violations ---- just icing on the cake so to speak. But, in the hands of the inexperienced or those wanting to find violations for the sake of writing tickets, the laws usually can serve that purpose even against the most careful sportsmen.

When three guys cannot emerge from a duck hunt with 5 total birds (well within our daily bag limits) without being ticketed for a "tagging violation", we have reached the threshold of pointless absurdity. What real purpose did that serve? How did that ticket protect the resource or the sport? It didn't. Were the actions of the hunters "unethical"? No.

Laws can be changed folks. They weren't set by fiat from a King. Federal laws were enacted by Congress and can be modified by Congress. State laws were enacted by our legislature and signed by the Gov. Perhaps its time to make some concrete suggestions to the people who can make a difference --- our members of Congress --- US Representatives and Senators, or state legislators. . Surely we can prevent market gunning and enforce our daily bag limits without the necessity of the current federal and state laws as written (most likely by folks who don't even hunt and wouldn't know a duck from an ardvark), and without harassing our good sportsmen. When most finally get to the point of just saying F^*& it and just stop hunting, then I suppose we won't even need wardens. At that point, the anti-hunters will have won the battle through over-regulation, as opposed to popular support(this is exactly the tactics of the left in other areas --- what makes anyone think that this is not the desired end game here?).

Yet one more example and one more step toward the "pussification" of America.

[Denduke]

Thanks! Finally some sanity on this BS! Not many around here anymore that stand for anything! Post counters and comedians. This place used to make a difference, I thought. This was and outrage yet ereyone runs around here like they got a GW's dict in der mout!!!! Kinda like when they hit with the draws...Nobody wanted to talk about it rather than do sumthin....Then we found out 2 memembers here recommended it to the commisioners. Well Hell! What's the use. The only real effort along these lines was when D. Miller got the petition going. Maybe we oughta be like reggins...They at least know how to stick together!
Rant/Later DL

[Yazoo Duckman]

Thanks! Finally some sanity on this BS! Not many around here anymore that stand for anything! Post counters and comedians. This place used to make a difference, I thought. This was and outrage yet ereyone runs around here like they got a GW's dict in der mout!!!! Kinda like when they hit with the draws...Nobody wanted to talk about it rather than do sumthin....Then we found out 2 memembers here recommended it to the commisioners. Well Hell! What's the use. The only real effort along these lines was when D. Miller got the petition going. Maybe we oughta be like reggins...They at least know how to stick together!
Rant/Later DL

AMEN!

[Po Monkey Lounger]

Just for fun, I am willing to make the following challenge to ANY federal or state game warden. Film what you consider to be the "perfectly legal duck hunt", compliant with all federal and state (Mississippi) game regulatory laws, from beginning to end of hunt, transport, cleaning, and to the table to eat. And I will bet you $250, payable to the charity of the winner's choice, that I can find something illegal about your hunt. And whether I win or lose, some charity will get the $250, and our sportsmen get a video that they can learn from ---even from a warden's mistakes, if such should occur.

Conditions: You must have more than one hunter on the hunt and must collectively harvest at least ten ducks. And the hunt must be on a public WMA in MS. And you must transport them from the WMA to your home or to a club site, clean them, and transport at least some of the cleaned birds to another destination for cooking or storage. (added later: and you must demonstrate on the video compliance with all laws ---don't just tell us ---- show us ---eg licenses, permits, shell limits, tags, etc. etc. ).

Any takers?

[UGAReb]

PML: you're absolutely correct. I understand that COs can't give legal advice because they aren't lawyers. But when the laws are written such that the MDWFP may disagree with the State Attorney General, and neither one will issue a clear interpretation of the law, there's a problem. Far from being environmental regulations that corporations may have the bad faith to evade and the attorneys on retainer to fight, these laws come down hard on individuals from all walks of life--most of whom have no intent to break the law.

[Denduke]

I had a dreammm....

The venerable leaders of Ducksouth collected a donation (as much as possible, $520 whatever was said) and 50+ members of this board appeared at the Federal Court (This is indeed federal and not the back room of some JP court) on this man's behalf as a protest to the unfair charges. You'd miss a days work and prolly still loose the case but just think of the signifcance of the effort and solidarity!

Just dreamin/Later DL

[StraightUp]

The original intent of the federal game laws was basically to stop market hunting. We are now so far afield from that basic end that the entire reason for the implementation of the laws has been forgotten. Our federal game laws, in many respects, have simply become a means of subjective harassment by the enforcers of those laws. As described by the shared experiences of many here in this thread, when stopped and checked by federal wardens the results usually include something along the lines of "..we could have cited you for x. y, and z, but chose not to do so" (because we didn't want to appear to be a bunch of cheesedicks). Much like our tax laws have become, the game laws have become so extensive and burdensome that even those who try to comply and be good sportsmen can often be found noncompliant. The practical use of these laws for most of the enforcement officers is to use them to really put the hammer down on those caught in more serious violations ---- just icing on the cake so to speak. But, in the hands of the inexperienced or those wanting to find violations for the sake of writing tickets, the laws usually can serve that purpose even against the most careful sportsmen.

When three guys cannot emerge from a duck hunt with 5 total birds (well within our daily bag limits) without being ticketed for a "tagging violation", we have reached the threshold of pointless absurdity. What real purpose did that serve? How did that ticket protect the resource or the sport? It didn't. Were the actions of the hunters "unethical"? No.

Laws can be changed folks. They weren't set by fiat from a King. Federal laws were enacted by Congress and can be modified by Congress. State laws were enacted by our legislature and signed by the Gov. Perhaps its time to make some concrete suggestions to the people who can make a difference --- our members of Congress --- US Representatives and Senators, or state legislators. . Surely we can prevent market gunning and enforce our daily bag limits without the necessity of the current federal and state laws as written (most likely by folks who don't even hunt and wouldn't know a duck from an ardvark), and without harassing our good sportsmen. When most finally get to the point of just saying F^*& it and just stop hunting, then I suppose we won't even need wardens. At that point, the anti-hunters will have won the battle through over-regulation, as opposed to popular support(this is exactly the tactics of the left in other areas --- what makes anyone think that this is not the desired end game here?).

Yet one more example and one more step toward the "pussification" of America.

I am going to give a point to the underdogs for this post!

[JaMak84]

Well, I went home with five woodies
The way I always do
How was I to know
They was with the Wardens, too

I was gambling in Malmason
I took a little risk
Send lawyers, guns and money
PoMonk, get me out of this

I'm the innocent bystander
Somehow I got stuck
Without a name on my strap
And I'm down on my luck

Now I'm hiding in Hatchie
I'm a desperate man
Send lawyers, guns and money
The $#!+ has hit the fan
Send lawyers, guns and money...

[UGAReb]

Classic.

Well, I went home with five woodies
The way I always do
How was I to know
They was with the Wardens, too

I was gambling in Malmason
I took a little risk
Send lawyers, guns and money
PoMonk, get me out of this

I'm the innocent bystander
Somehow I got stuck
Without a name on my strap
And I'm down on my luck

Now I'm hiding in Hatchie
I'm a desperate man
Send lawyers, guns and money
The *!@#@* has hit the fan
Send lawyers, guns and money...

[mudsucker]

THAT was good!
RIP, Warren Zevon!

[teul2]

And is bullet a GW???

Does the Pope crap in the woods?

Seen him crap in the woods.
Dirty sob used all my paper too

[Bullet]

And is bullet a GW???

Does the Pope crap in the woods?

Seen him crap in the woods.
Dirty sob used all my paper too

Balancing on a log in knee deep water. Rough