State of Duck Hunting

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Re: State of Duck Hunting

Postby jdbuckshot » Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:24 am

i haven't seen another duck hunter in 2 seasons.

i mostly hunt alone any more, i do a little duck scouting/deer hunting,

when i do hunt (bout a dozen times) i enjoy it so much more.

i learned that the every weekend duck hunter is a money wasting idiot.

its much cheaper / funner to stay home and deer hunt than to go and sit in a duck hole and shoot nothing.


A very well respected duck guide told me this once " The best duck hunters know when NOT to go duck hunting"

i kill less ducks, but i kill alot more limits. i mostly hunt smaller holes in areas with less birds, and also with less pressure, and i usually paint my face to :D



just because somebody does it different than you doesn't make your way better.
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Re: State of Duck Hunting

Postby 7ducks » Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:45 am

[quote="Ster"]Honestly speaking, I think that the false infatuation with Duck hunting will rise, but the actual numbers of duck hunters will decline. It is really easy to buy a Drake Waterfowl sticker for your truck, and watch Duck Dynasty. It is another thing entirely to keep up with the cost of Duck leases etc...

+ 1 Looking at HIP surveys from US fish and Wildlife duck hunters in MS have declined from a high of 19,200 in 2004 to a low of 13,300 last year.....compare this to LA with 97,500 and AR with 58,500, I don't think we have it so bad here. Of course these numbers do not reflect out of state hunters/youth/life time license holders.

[quote="Anatidae"]
What others adopt these days in the way of theories, techniques, equipment, self-promotion, persona, etc.......is irrelevant (to me).

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Re: State of Duck Hunting

Postby Ster » Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:55 am

Mike Perry wrote:The influx of high numbers of new participants (notice I did not say hunters) had been discussed to death on many forums. This is one of the more intelligent discourses.
I can’t believe that it took to the second page in Randy’s response for some one to use the word “respect”. That is what is missing in the new “duck commanders” we are seeing these days.
I have been guiding for several years for commercial lodges and the last 5-6 have made it harder and harder to sign up for next year. I took 2012 off from guiding and just hunted for myself. What a pleasant fall and winter.
A lot of my clients have been middle aged professional people who have entertained clients and family because they could afford to do so and wanted a quality experience. I really enjoy those groups.
But I have had a few that maybe by coincidence are younger and are just all about the numbers. I had one guy 2 years ago that was an invited guest of the person who organized the hunt that was just obnoxious. He had a $10 duck call that sounded terrible. Insisted on blowing it loud and constantly with no clue to timing or inflection, was a terrible shot, claimed every bird and just an booty to be around. One AM we had a great hunt, got our full limits on ducks and geese so we got the afternoon off. At lunch he said “What are we doing this afternoon? I just want to kill something!!!” If this is what the future holds for waterfowling, I am glad I only have about 10 years left.
I am guiding again next year, but on a limited basis and only with selected clients that I know are sportsman, not just numbers guys. Don’t get me wrong, I like the limit days as much as anyone, but there has to be some respect for the game and the sport.
The waterfowl are a limited resource. I can think of no good reason to be mass marketing the idea that we need to bring in more and more hunters. The families that have hunting as a culture would have been enough to keep it going along with the conservation groups like DU and Delta, but I am afraid the genie is out of the bottle now.
It's funny that you should mention guys that are strictly about the numbers. I was with some of my duck hunting partners a couple of days ago and we were just wasting time, talking about some memorable and funny stories we shared together. After about three hours of laughter it dawned on me that some of our best times while duck hunting were hunts where we didn't get close to shooting a limit of birds. Duck hunting is just fun that way.
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Re: State of Duck Hunting

Postby Anatidae » Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:30 am

Regarding equipment: Some folks miss the point...........Duck hunting is not about the equipment. Yes, equipment can make things easier on the hunter in some cases, but duck hunting isn't about about what, or how much, or how old, or what quality equipment you have and use (or desire)........it's about each hunter making the best use of what he/she has.
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Re: State of Duck Hunting

Postby hntrpat1 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:59 am

Anatidae wrote:Regarding equipment: Some folks miss the point...........Duck hunting is not about the equipment. Yes, equipment can make things easier on the hunter in some cases, but duck hunting isn't about about what, or how much, or how old, or what quality equipment you have and use (or desire)........it's about each hunter making the best use of what he/she has.
and knowing what to do when to do it with that equipment. Its a chest game. Add in the mix of only hunting public. That's why I love it.
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Re: State of Duck Hunting

Postby tica-tica » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:56 pm

GreenheadJim wrote:
hillhunter wrote:sab316, I dont think its as much about the equipment as it is this....

tica-tica wrote:many talk about "respect" but waterfowling in this country started with a lack of respect for the birds. No limits and sold to market. I think the lack of respect now is more between hunters than the game they hunt.
Im pretty much like you, just a little older. Never had the cash to spend on some of those high dollar jackets and such.
I think that with the youth today (including your age group sab316) there is absolutely no respect for the sport, the people around the sport and the laws of the sport. I have been hunting for 30 years and have seen a decline of respect over the last 10 years.

It's bad when you watch a bunch of college kids come and set up on you and sky blast and kill there limit, but do not leave. They keep shooting and culling ducks. They stuff them in stumps or leave them floating. They need to learn how to kill the limit and get the heck out. Someone needs to do something about what all is going on in the world of duck hunting. I swear that if this keeps up, I'm going to bust someone in the mouth.

Sorry for the rant.............................

I must agree. Nothing at all wrong with younger folks getting into waterfowl hunting but for some reason, when I see younger folks hunting, most the time, there is only younger folks hunting. No mentors, just a bunch of kids out on the water. The groups that were close to me on my one and only duck hunt on public proprty this year cussed like sailors and shot limit of buffleheads. Why not wait and look for other birds? They shot any and everything that got withing 80 yards of them. Most older hunters that I know will slow it down and enjoy the day. I would generally call many of the younger crowd a quick and impatient bunch like they are playing "Duck Shoot" on the xBox. I see them get a black dog, call it a retriever and try to teach it to hunt on the hunt. Just seems backwards to me but we will all deal with it. I must admit if you can get past being pissed off it is funny to hear some cuss an moan all day.

They make hunters take hunter safety courses these days which is a start but this sport needs hunter ethics laws. Most ethics are just a suggestion. I don't know why a game warden cant carry a range finder and write ticks to folks that are not a defined distance. I like the only cary 15 shells rule... that will slow down the skybusting, xBox crowd. We need to interject some common sense law into the sport... Or maybe I will just try to save more pennies and buy more land?
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Re: State of Duck Hunting

Postby kb7722 » Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:15 pm

tica-tica wrote:I must agree. Nothing at all wrong with younger folks getting into waterfowl hunting but for some reason, when I see younger folks hunting, most the time, there is only younger folks hunting. No mentors, just a bunch of kids out on the water. The groups that were close to me on my one and only duck hunt on public proprty this year cussed like sailors and shot limit of buffleheads. Why not wait and look for other birds? They shot any and everything that got withing 80 yards of them. Most older hunters that I know will slow it down and enjoy the day. I would generally call many of the younger crowd a quick and impatient bunch like they are playing "Duck Shoot" on the xBox. I see them get a black dog, call it a retriever and try to teach it to hunt on the hunt. Just seems backwards to me but we will all deal with it. I must admit if you can get past being pissed off it is funny to hear some cuss an moan all day....
So take the kids hunting and teach them how to do it the right way.
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Re: State of Duck Hunting

Postby tica-tica » Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:53 pm

kb7722 wrote:
tica-tica wrote:I must agree. Nothing at all wrong with younger folks getting into waterfowl hunting but for some reason, when I see younger folks hunting, most the time, there is only younger folks hunting. No mentors, just a bunch of kids out on the water. The groups that were close to me on my one and only duck hunt on public proprty this year cussed like sailors and shot limit of buffleheads. Why not wait and look for other birds? They shot any and everything that got withing 80 yards of them. Most older hunters that I know will slow it down and enjoy the day. I would generally call many of the younger crowd a quick and impatient bunch like they are playing "Duck Shoot" on the xBox. I see them get a black dog, call it a retriever and try to teach it to hunt on the hunt. Just seems backwards to me but we will all deal with it. I must admit if you can get past being pissed off it is funny to hear some cuss an moan all day....
So take the kids hunting and teach them how to do it the right way.

I do. Just got back from taking my nephew (18 year old) to St Charles, Ark.

I actually think I am prolly spoiling this kid because he has gone on mostly good hunts. I need to take him on a goat rope, cluster public hunt and show him 'what not to do' insted of 'what to do'.

Question is, what does taking a kid on a cluster public hunt teach them?

To rise at 1:00am or spend the night just to get the spot.
To calmly confront the party that sets up 50 yards from you 15 min before shooting time?
To let him see that you can fire as many shells as you have and cannot hit a duck at 100+ yards?
To let him see that a handful of folks can ruin the effort you put into trying to hunt public land more times than not?

I don't think many want to deal with it. Most kids I know want a guarentee or they would rather do something else. To those types I say you better make a lot of money. Not trying to be an booty here... just trying to give my observations.
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Re: State of Duck Hunting

Postby cody's guide » Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:37 pm

my son is now 14 and hunting with his buds. i dont get to enjoy the days of just he and i going on the hunt. now it is all about who he can invite and who will take him somewhere else. the newbies will be old one day and slow it down and take it easy and enjoy it more.
i always say it is not about the hunt it is about the chase. all the stories i remember most are are getting up going to the right spot and having fun while doing it. being with the people you enjoy being with. once you get your limit/ deer it is all over till the next chase is on.
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Re: State of Duck Hunting

Postby greenheadgrimreaper » Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:31 pm

Whether or not an individual is a waterfowler or not depends on the value they place on a mallard duck, especially a mallard duck that is killed in a place where few other species reside except a wood duck.

I know a fellow who is perfectly content with going and pass shooting a wood duck with the occasional mallard who succumbed to natural selection's theory of "only the strongest and smartest." He is a fine waterfowler in respect to his take on the sport. Some folks love to go and kill dozens of greenwing teal with the occasional mallard mixed and a pintail or two. They are fine waterfowlers.

But a fellow who hunts the timber or buck brush or flooded lakes that only "get out" a few times a year or areas where the majority of species that use the spot are wood ducks and mallards is, to me, a waterfowl hunter. Because he is hunting a timber limit, a mallard duck and wood ducks. I do enjoy the sight of gadwall as well though, but for purposes of purity, the mallard and wood duck are a southern waterfowler's birds of choice. In MY opinion. Doesn't mean it is right, but it what I think, and we are being asked what we think, I guess.

The only way to kill a mallard duck or gadwall is finished. There is no other way. If we would like to see ducks huntable again, we should press for a law that makes pass shooting on flocks of birds illegal. It is cheap, it wounds birds, it is unsightly, it is a sign of a novice and it is disrespectful to the waterfowl we hunt. Shooting a tom gobbler at 65 yards is not calling in a tom gobbler. It is cheating and degrading to the hunter and to the bird. Pass shooting waterfowl should be right up there with seining a man's pond, shooting his dog, screwing his wife,...hunting his duck hole. Pass shooting is for trashy folk who litter and set small kittens on fire. You are the joke of the marsh if you pass shoot. I put you right there with whale poop if you are a pass shooter. Which is why hunting areas that primarily winter wood ducks and mallards make pass shooting much harder to do. You are almost forced to finish the birds or at the very least near finish.

To me finishing a group of mallard ducks is the summit of success. It is to duck hunting what 180 class bucks are to deer hunting. I finished my biggest group of mallards ever this year, and the biggest group I have ever personally seen finished- of mallards. 60-70 birds at 25 yards is what keeps you up at night. To some on this board that may be chump change. To most, I doubt they have ever seen it. One thing I know they have not seen is 3 guys shoot into a flock of said size and not kill a bird. I bet they haven't seen a fellow throw up in his mouth either. I ain't going to discuss that anymore.

I come home with a lot fewer birds a lot of the times I go hunting because I refused to pass shoot even at low flying birds. Make no mistake: I kick myself in the ass for not pass shooting them a lot of the time. But my respect for a mallard duck is far and wide and when I put him in the decoys I know, I know I have bested him. All the gear (most homemade b/c- and only b/c- it is cheaper) and most importantly all the TIME (the true asset that a waterfowler possesses) comes to a culmination when a mallard duck's feet are down 20 yards out and 10 feet over the water.

I had a thread back in the summer about the farm bill. I was chastised and called paranoid for my feelings on the subject of the current state of the ppr. If you don't know what that is then you are not a waterfowler, meaning you are not up to date with ALL aspects of waterfowl.

All you have to do is read a little bit and this point will be clear to you: waterfowling, speaking in terms of migrations of any substantial size, will not be here in 20 years. It will not be here in 10 years, mark that down. Folks, the ppr has got cancer, and the doc says it's terminal. The ppr is the alpha and omega of everything else for thousands of miles south. No memories will be made, no gear will be purchased, no trips will be had, no dogs will be trained, no boats will be bought, no waterfowlers will be born- if the ppr issues are not addressed, NOW.

The problem with the state of duck hunting is that waterfowlers, whether they meet your definition of it or not, do not know- nor care- about the the plight of the ppr. A small minority knows just enough about it to make it clear to an individual that does know about it, that said individual doesn't know diddley jack $#!+ about it. It's embarrassing really- the ignorance that we conservationists have in regards to the issues that matter.

Someone said the "hardcore" guys won't leave b/c once they start they won't ever quit. That is true to a certain extent. They may occasionally go when the hunting is "right". I call them "fair-weather duck hunters". They are the lowest of the low in terms of waterfowling hierarchy, just above boom scouters and late arrivals (late arrivals are guaranteed to be assholes because they are desperate and by definition, lazy). But just look at the seasonal waning of duck hunters on a yearly basis. The rut has arrived, the grind has chewed up the majority of the early season'ers... the ramp is a much more pleasant place in January than it is in November/December, and the woods are much more pleasant in numbers of ducks as well.

Someone said a good duck hunter knows when the good times to go, are. That is so true. The grind will chew up many many duck hunters.

A smart waterfowler knows that.

I know a guy who went and bought boats, decoys, a few guns, hevi-metal, etc. He lost his mind in the pre-season because he does not understad the politics of duck season. He didn't hear what he wanted to hear when experienced waterfowlers didn't tel him that he would always have a spot. He somehow- just like so many other newcomers- equated getting-to-go as being directly proportional to the thousands and thousands of dollars that he has spent. He felt entitled to getting a spot in a blind because he had gear. He (maybe not anymore) like so many others thinks that duck hunting is a glorified dove hunt. Room is limitless and hiding is something along the lines of a bucket and a blue umbrella. That is simply not the case- as any waterfowler with a few years experience knows very well. He has been through one and a half duck seasons and I do not see him even realizing that opening day is t-minus 24 hours come the 2013-2014 season.

This will happen a thousand times over this year.

The main reason being that, just like a tom gobbler, a mallard duck will make a fool of a man. And anybody south of the Great Lakes with any experience who is a waterfowler first and foremost wants a mallard duck strap. A mallard duck is a different animal than it used to be and being on the x will not guarantee success these days. A mallard duck is wiley. What most duck hunters fail to realize is that, greenwings and gadwall and pintail and etc etc aside, day in and day out the majority of duck hunters entering the haunts of the mallard duck are doing good to scratch out a few. That is the simple reality of it. The come-and-go'ers, the "I go a few times a year crowd" thinks everyone is killing mallards except them, and so is the death of another hunter like the one described that I know. There will be another to fill his slot next year, as we all know. To what extreme he "gears up" is still up in the air, but he will be locked cocked and ready to rock, until the grind and constant ass whoopin's from the mallard duck chew him up a couple years. The mallard duck, coupled with man's ego of his alleged prowess and expertise over the beasts of the wild, will be death of him in the haunts of a mallard duck.

Good riddance.

Why, you say? Why...in this crazy crazy world...why Austin, would any conservationist in his right mind bid a triumphant farewell to a fellow leaving a sport as endangered as hunting? We should be encouraging any and every person to enter the sport because then they join the fight. I say no, no they do not join the fight. I say they are a liability, not an asset. Why? There is only one reason why, and it is the fault of society, it is OUR fault and it is the fault of said hunter. The reason I hope the door doesn't smack him on the way out is this:

Because the son of a bitch probably doesn't even know what ppr means- that's why.
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Re: State of Duck Hunting

Postby LODI QUACKER » Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:54 pm

Huh!

Yous a crazy white boy!!!!!!!

I like it though!


The STATE of duck hunting!????

Fine Question, most of what I see is numbers are the biggest factor in the determinination of whether a man had a good hunt or not.

I am too caught up in this, from time to time. But it has never been the true defining aspect of my hunts. I want to finish my birds, and I hunt with a group of like minded folk. It is not my thing to shoot em over the trees. I will do it from time to time but will not spend my morning shooting unfinished birds.

Thats my opinion, most of the "hunters" I see on public lands DO NOT HAVE this same attitude.

The fast loud motors that daddy bought, the kicks or whatever chokes sticking out of the end of the barrels and the 3.5 inch bb's are sadly the STATE of our public duck hunting.


Makes me sick!
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Re: State of Duck Hunting

Postby DUCK-HUNT » Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:33 pm

LODI QUACKER wrote:Huh!

Yous a crazy white boy!!!!!!!

I like it though!


The STATE of duck hunting!????

Fine Question, most of what I see is numbers are the biggest factor in the determinination of whether a man had a good hunt or not.

I am too caught up in this, from time to time. But it has never been the true defining aspect of my hunts. I want to finish my birds, and I hunt with a group of like minded folk. It is not my thing to shoot em over the trees. I will do it from time to time but will not spend my morning shooting unfinished birds.

Thats my opinion, most of the "hunters" I see on public lands DO NOT HAVE this same attitude.

The fast loud motors that daddy bought, the kicks or whatever chokes sticking out of the end of the barrels and the 3.5 inch bb's are sadly the STATE of our public duck hunting.


Makes me sick!

I've typed this response about 15 times and erased it.....


I feel the exact same way and also agree with everything Austin said.
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Re: State of Duck Hunting

Postby gentimmy » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:05 am

I'll just leave this here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_jTZD7 ... ata_player

And apologize for my generation
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Re: State of Duck Hunting

Postby Buckwabit » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:55 am

gentimmy wrote:I'll just leave this here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_jTZD7 ... ata_player

And apologize for my generation

Wow!!! Just Wow!!!!
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Re: State of Duck Hunting

Postby Deltamud77 » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:42 am

Wow!!! Just Wow!!!!
I cannot tell if the Banded Gear/Belding crowd are trend-setters with a growing list of followers or are just an outgrowth/representation of the new culture of young waterfowl hunters.

It is funny to think of Chad Belding and Bill Dunavant sharing a blind together. Talk about a clash of worlds.

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