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thcobb1 wrote:
MSU for not reporting this in November and continuing to recruit for 5 weeks after the alleged meeting. My guess they are not eager to say which coaches were at the alleged hotel meeting.

Dude, the coaches laughed in his face when $$ was brought up. We still wanted to sign him the right way, so why would we turn him in right away? This is Bond's account of relaying the overture to the MSU AD.

I reported the conversation to the Mississippi State Athletic Department. I was told by the Athletic Department that Mississippi State would not respond to the overture that was made to me, and that Mississippi State would continue to recruit Cam Newton as it does any other football recruit.

Po Monkey Lounger wrote:A few more questions:

Do the audio tapes really exist? If so, when were the recordings made? Were they provided to the SEC office when the matter was initially reported by MSU. If not, then why not? If so, then what more could the SEC office really need from MSU to know that there was a serious problem on the plains? And if the SEC knew this, why would the SEC office not then immediately contact Auburn about it to let them know, demand answers to questions, and allow Auburn to respond? Why was it necessary to wait until MSU provided information in July to start its probe into Auburn? If the audio tapes were made after MSU initially reported the matter to the SEC office, then when were they they provided to the SEC office, if at all? If not until July, then why sit on them until July?

I can think of plenty of reasons why the SEC would want to keep a lid on this. The SEC already has enough black marks on itself as is. Thats the whole reason it is SEC policy to have all allegations reported to the SEC first, then the front office determines if the NCAA needs to get involved. I can imagine that John Bond turned him in and the SEC did some patty cake investigation and that was it.

It probably went something like this:

SEC Commish: "Rev. Newton, did you seek to gain from the recruitment of your son by TN, MSU, and AU?"
Rev. Newton: "Why, Lawd no Mista Commishna! Howeva, we are very pleased with the recent increase we have seen in donations and tithes the last few weeks at the church, Praise tha Lawd!!"
SEC Commish: "Reverend, I'm glad we could clear that up Good luck to you, your son, and your ever so blessed church."

You see the whole problem with this thing is that ten months ago, the Rev. knew someone was on his heals, and he has had ten months to hide this whether he filtered it through the church or buried it in the backyard.

But, back to your original question. When Slive was first hired as SEC commissioner, he vowed to have the SEC sanction free in five years. He didn't say that they would clean up the programs and and recruiting process, he just said no sanctions, ha. Aka lets sweep as much dirt under the rug as we can, and tell the NCAA its been investigated.

So, why is this all just now starting back up after ten months? John Bond and friends have been sitting around watching this kid for ten weeks and been getting pissed off about 2 things, 1) One Cam running the ball down everyone's throat all year when he should have been deemed ineligible to start with and 2) nobody in the SEC even knowing who John Bond is!

The reason this is going to be very bad for MSU and FL in the future is that when JB leaked the story he commited the crime of all crimes, he went around the front office of the SEC, the very body whose job it is to help protect its members from investigations by the NCAA for every little thing. Will they continue to receive that benefit? Doubt it.

hillhunter wrote: The reason this is going to be very bad for MSU and FL in the future is that when JB leaked the story he commited the crime of all crimes, he went around the front office of the SEC, the very body whose job it is to help protect its members from investigations by the NCAA for every little thing. Will they continue to receive that benefit? Doubt it.

Uh uh. Bond's input ended a year ago. This all just hit the fan in the last few weeks (who knows why -- have my ideas) and the media did enough digging to find out about Bond. He leaked nothing and didn't go above the SEC.

Some of y'all need to read further than the headlines.

I can tell you this......I live next door to a MSU man (retired) & he flat out told me long before any of this hit that his very good friend (MSU booster - deep pockets) was asked for 60K to go towards the payment for Cam & he turned them down. Maybe my neighbors friend was asked to fund 1/3 of the project. Maybe Bell & Bond were asked to supply the other 120K. I say that to say this......The price tag may have very well been 180K & MSU tried to raise the money but fell short. Then & only then did Bond report the matter to Byrne. It's been common knowledge for a long time that money was required for Cam to sign with MSU. This is not breaking news. I now question the timing of the media feeding frenzy. Seems to me that the release was well calculated in terms of timing. I also wonder if we were 7-3, whether or not this would even be a story?

Bill Bell is now confirming the rumors.

"Rogers said he was referred to a Mississippi State booster named Bill Bell. Rogers said he left Bell a message telling him he was with Cecil Newton, who wanted to know if the deal was going to happen.

Bell, when contacted Thursday night by ESPN.com, confirmed Cecil Newton did ask for money in exchange for Cam Newton signing with Mississippi State. Bell said he was contacted by the NCAA about the matter and spoke to an investigator earlier this week.

"That's all I want to say about it at this point," Bell said."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5792707

So now all that's left to come out is who are the bonds/bells/and ESJays neighbors from Auburn that did indeed raise the money that was requested.
Then, the story will be complete. I'm sure there are a few fellas wearing houndstooth that are working on that piece of the puzzle as we type.

eSJay wrote:I can tell you this......I live next door to a MSU man (retired) & he flat out told me long I now question the timing of the media feeding frenzy. Seems to me that the release was well calculated in terms of timing. I also wonder if we were 7-3, whether or not this would even be a story?

Nope, No story at 7-3.

But when you are #1, Everything you do is subject to a Microscope.
(Bama has been facing that issue for many years)

The Fact that the NCAA is taking a while.... doesn't look good for AU.

If you look at previous NCAA investigations, the ones that take the LONGEST are the ones that come down with the BIGGEST penalties.....

God Bless you

eSJay wrote:I can tell you this......I live next door to a MSU man (retired) & he flat out told me long before any of this hit that his very good friend (MSU booster - deep pockets) was asked for 60K to go towards the payment for Cam & he turned them down. Maybe my neighbors friend was asked to fund 1/3 of the project. Maybe Bell & Bond were asked to supply the other 120K. I say that to say this......The price tag may have very well been 180K & MSU tried to raise the money but fell short. Then & only then did Bond report the matter to Byrne. It's been common knowledge for a long time that money was required for Cam to sign with MSU. This is not breaking news. I now question the timing of the media feeding frenzy. Seems to me that the release was well calculated in terms of timing. I also wonder if we were 7-3, whether or not this would even be a story?

This makes a lot of sense. Seems this whole thing from solicitation for payment to the reports to the SEC came out months ago, but the media feeding frenzy started exactly when AU was #1 and Cam was the #1 candidate for the Heisman. The SEC, meaning Slive's office all the way to schools that aren't even involved, will take a serious hit for this.

bottom line.. cam newtons dad was shopping his sons services.. and the boy ended up where the most $$$ was avail.....

what all took place in between..who knows.. i guess we'll find out...

Bond really? ha ha maybe some young white girls among other things but 180,000 thats funny. I have a feeling all you denying this going to eat crow, way to much smoke. I am an avid state fan and if it was on the other foot, I would be like "@#$%#" we got caught. It happens everyday at every school to some extent. Sounds like we got out bid or Mullens not on board. If we knew what we know now we prob could got the preacher man some cash. I remember Madkin riding a mo-ped but some where in his busy schedule of football and school he got enough money to buy a Jeep grand cherokee or Dantae's magical 21 hour summer school. They just need to put a cap in place!

farmerc83 wrote:This makes a lot of sense. Seems this whole thing from solicitation for payment to the reports to the SEC came out months ago, but the media feeding frenzy started exactly when AU was #1 and Cam was the #1 candidate for the Heisman. The SEC, meaning Slive's office all the way to schools that aren't even involved, will take a serious hit for this.

It also started immediately after the article that exposed that Cecil Newton informed Cam which school he'd chosen for his son over Christmas dinner. Most think this puzzling instruction by Cecil raised enough eyebrows in the media to make some start digging.

I want to address some of Po Monk's questions. This is just my opinion. You are correct that Bell and Bond do not work for MSU, but they are prominent boosters. Who do athletes/agents go to when they are trying to get money out of a program? Boosters. That should answer the question about why they went to Bell/Bond. Why did Bond report this to the AD? I hope that he did that because it is right thing to do. I am sure that Bond personally knows just about everyone in the athletic department, so it is not like he reported this to perfect strangers.

As a MSU alum, the Kenny Rogers situation bothers me. I am sure that he can be considered a booster and he seems to be in a sketchy business.

Faithful Retrievers wrote:They just need to put a cap in place!

There is a cap, $0, and they continue to break it. Sure you'll never stop the $100 handshakes but the monthly checks to the parents are getting ridiculous and its keeping the decision out of the child's hands, which isn't right. This may never happen, but what if the NCAA was to partner up with the NFL to keep the agents away and come up with some sort of penalty that could be levied even if the player is already in the NFL when the verdict is handed down (think Reggie Bush), then the NCAA could talk to the Feds about the fraudulent aspects of all this $ changing hands without a paper trail (looks to be happening in this Newton case). I would hope if the IRS and FBI start getting involved, this paying the family business may be cut back alot. Not that the families wouldn't still take it, but it may deter boosters, in turn leaving them with more $ to donate to the school or legitimate atheletic booster club.

ESPN's "The Herd" reported this morning that the FBI is now invovled in the investigation.