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WOW, one big recruiting class and #olemiss #webelievenow #unrealisticexpectations

Another straw man bites the dust.

Po Monkey Lounger wrote:

WOW, one big recruiting class and #olemiss #webelievenow #unrealisticexpectations

Another straw man bites the dust.

Here is the deal...if Hugh Freeze lands two or three more classes like he did this year and if Kincade turns out to be as good as advertised, there is literally no reason (outside of Nick Saban) why Ole Miss could not be a competitor in the National Title race. Unfortunately, as we have already seen, to prevent Nick Saban from playing for the national title, he will have to be beaten twice in SEC play...and that is not gonna happen.

I honestly would not be surprised to see him win the national title every year until he retires.

Here are the "national title winners" in the "modern era" of college football from the SEC:

Alabama 6-7 times
Florida 3 times
LSU 2 times
UT one time
Auburn one time
UGA one time

To claim more than these, any of the above listed teams would have to go back to the pre-1973 era, which would then include Ole Miss and Arkansas and Texas A&M.

So, only six of our 14 SEC teams can claim a national title in the "modern era". And interestingly, about 8 of those total 15 modern era titles by SEC teams have occurred in the last decade.

So whats your point PoMonk? Talk about a strawman argument. I love your circular reasoning.

#olemisswebelieve

Really?

Po Monkey Lounger wrote:Here are the "national title winners" in the "modern era" of college football from the SEC:

Alabama 6-7 times
Florida 3 times
LSU 2 times
UT one time
Auburn one time
UGA one time

To claim more than these, any of the above listed teams would have to go back to the pre-1973 era, which would then include Ole Miss and Arkansas and Texas A&M.

So, only six of our 14 SEC teams can claim a national title in the "modern era". And interestingly, about 8 of those total 15 modern era titles by SEC teams have occurred in the last decade.

Auburn also had an undefeated year in there that they should have been able to play in the title game and another year they were undefeated when they were not eligible. Now I am always curious how an undefeated team that was not eligible would fare if they had been eligible. There is a lot more pressure and you don't have that chip on your shoulder.

mshunter77 wrote:

Po Monkey Lounger wrote:Here are the "national title winners" in the "modern era" of college football from the SEC:

Alabama 6-7 times
Florida 3 times
LSU 2 times
UT one time
Auburn one time
UGA one time

To claim more than these, any of the above listed teams would have to go back to the pre-1973 era, which would then include Ole Miss and Arkansas and Texas A&M.

So, only six of our 14 SEC teams can claim a national title in the "modern era". And interestingly, about 8 of those total 15 modern era titles by SEC teams have occurred in the last decade.

Auburn also had an undefeated year in there that they should have been able to play in the title game and another year they were undefeated when they were not eligible. Now I am always curious how an undefeated team that was not eligible would fare if they had been eligible. There is a lot more pressure and you don't have that chip on your shoulder.

We were undefeated in 1993 and 2004. If we were Alabama, we would claim those as national championships.

I agree with Po Monk that in several ways it is a better chance now and in the near future as it has ever been. Situations like Auburn not getting in title game is over now. No way an SEC team goes undefeated and does not get in the game. Even 2 loss SEC team can get in now with the respect the league has. Now that is the SEC as a whole....all the teams can enjoy that advantage and use it IF the get to the top of their side of the conference. While other teams in other conferences have to worry about rankings and beating your advisary to a pulp on the scoreboard, all SEC teams have to concentrate on is winning your division (like thats not enough). UM and MSU are enjoying $$$ that are handed out by the SEC every year to their teams. Recruiting is (or should be) easier for UM and MSU than ever before. Bigger better facilities, SEC members, TV all the time, etc, etc. Are they going to compete for a NC year in and year out??? No they will not. Can they catch magic in a bottle and do it? I think they can. It would help either school if they distanced themselves from the other in terms of being THE school of choice within the state. Think that is what Mullen was striving for and did not get there before Freeze came on the scene. Sherrill had a run in there where he competed very well at the top of the conference and had 2 years where he may have actually had the players on the field to win a NC had certain luck fallen his way. So it is not impossible to do. It is what everyone strives for. Even if it seems far fetched. Is it crazy to think we cannot win a NC in baseball even though we never have??? No because we know we have been real close. As UM or MSU closes any gap they will gain the confidence it takes to do it. Tall hill to climb and the gap still remains, but 2 or 3 back-to-back great recruiting classes can get you there. How long this scenario last where the SEC has such advantages is yet to be played out. Schools in other regions are going to catch up some. Suprises me that some have not. I was talking to a friend the other day who is a big Oklahoma fan. He ask a good question. Why is the SEC so dominant for so long now. Well it has mostly to do with the Jimmys and the Joes....we know that. But also it is the other little things. Big 12 football has their best athletes on which side of the ball? What position is the SEC stronger at than everyone else? D lineman. Depth depth depth. As you see these MS high school kids adapt to be the players needed in the SEC to be recruited....and we are a good state for D lineman; it tells you we have the base there to do the building.

I think the other thing that helps teams like Ole Miss and MSU now is the over singing rule. Now very good recruits that may have gone to the "top tier" schools may go to a middle of the pack SEC school when the others fill up.

Jamak and dukhntin, Delta State is not in this conversation. If your talking about Southern, OM, or MSU, then the bets on.

To say more, I do think that the chances are better now than any other time in the last 30 years. But its still a huge longshot. As long as great players would rather sit on the bench at schools like AL, LSU, FL (and others at times) than come to OM, MSU, ARK, then we are at a disadvantage. I truly believe that at the majority of OM and MSU positions, the second string guys at these schools have more talent than our first string guys. Don't start bashing me yet, cause I realize that a Moncrief, Nemdiche, Slay, etc would very likely be starters at those schools, but at the majority of the positions we are at a severe disadvantage.

Po Monk made some good points earlier this year about a teams recruiting players based on minimal playing time in the SEC so that they dont get beat up so bad and decrease their chances to stay healthy enough to go pro. I had never thought of this before but it makes sense. I forget which team it was a coupe of years ago (either AL or LSU, maybe FL) had some second string guys I had never even remembered playing go in the second round. We cannot offer that. The best we can do is offer early playing time to a big time recruit.

So yeah MSU got Chris Jones. OM got Nemdiche, A big time receiver, a top rated O lineman, and some more athletes. Guess what.... AL, LSU, FL have five years worth of classes better than that (way better than MSU's). And if any of the named above walked onto any of their campuses (with maybe the exception of Nemdiche and the receiver) they are just another face in a sea of top rated recruits who may or may not even step on the field in the next four yrs. At MSU and OM they are already considered All Stars before they even put their cleats on and THATS the difference.

hillhunter wrote:Jamak and dukhntin, Delta State is not in this conversation. If your talking about Southern, OM, or MSU, then the bets on.

Delta State, MC, Alcorn....etc. None of them were in the conversation until you opened up the flood gates with "no MS team" talk. Anybody knows when laying down a bet, the details matter. What say ye ducksouthers, should duckhntin and I let mr hillhunter crawfish outta this bet on a technicality?

I was liking my chances with the junior colleges we have in the state. They do fall under the catch all phrase of "no MS team will win a national championship in football".

JaMak84 wrote:Neither State or Ole Miss will ever win a National Title in football as long as there are 3 Division I schools in the state.

Flawed logic. The State of Alabama has 5 Division 1 FBS programs.

JaMak84 wrote:

hillhunter wrote:Jamak and dukhntin, Delta State is not in this conversation. If your talking about Southern, OM, or MSU, then the bets on.

Delta State, MC, Alcorn....etc. None of them were in the conversation until you opened up the flood gates with "no MS team" talk. Anybody knows when laying down a bet, the details matter. What say ye ducksouthers, should duckhntin and I let mr hillhunter crawfish outta this bet on a technicality?

Haha I get what your saying, but I think everyone on the board knows which teams I was talking about. Its amazing our jucos and D state can compete on the levels they do and our other schools are historically mediocre.

hillhunter wrote:Jamak and dukhntin, Delta State is not in this conversation. If your talking about Southern, OM, or MSU, then the bets on.

Maybe...but Delta State is the only college who has true, uncontested national championships in several sports...probably more than any other college in the state.....not in the conversation, true, but worth mentioning.