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Re: Ducks near Chotard Lake
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:22 pm
by GrizwalD
KWAKHED wrote:Know a guy that took home a $700 ticket last Friday only because the sheriff was being nice and not taking him to jail. As for hunting either side with the appropriate license, those days are over.
Them days are not over either you can appeal the he!! out of that....
http://www.mdwfp.com/xNet/Files/Wildlif ... 0%20LA.pdf
Re: Ducks near Chotard Lake
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:48 pm
by Bullet
torch wrote:What about the fishing in Chotard will a MS license work or are you going to get a ticket?
Correct me if Im wrong but I believe the same holds true for fishing as well
Re: Ducks near Chotard Lake
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:25 pm
by msbigdawg1234
Something has got to be done with this problem.....the state should not let the LA boys put in on MS side if they gona play these games......
Re: Ducks near Chotard Lake
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:54 pm
by mississippi_duc_htr
I havent ever hunted either side or Chotard but what put the bee up Mr Green jeans and make them start giving everybody a hard time...I mean if they havent pushed it in the past why start now... Something or somebody must have screwed up down that way to make em start....... Any info on this issue??????
Re: Ducks near Chotard Lake
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 8:46 pm
by DanP
B/C you got high dollar deer camps around the lake who don't want to be disturbed by a bunch of duck hunters. I think things will be more relaxed after deer season. I was also told by a La GW that they are using 25' @ vicksburg as a measure of the "natural bank".
Re: Ducks near Chotard Lake
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:00 am
by Buckwabit
Well at 25' the water goes several hundred yard in the woods. This subject has been beat to death
Re: Ducks near Chotard Lake
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:04 am
by KWAKHED
Just for the record it has nothing to do with green jeans, it is the sheriff dept. in Louisiana.
Re: Ducks near Chotard Lake
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:07 am
by Buckwabit
SNAPP!!!!
Re: Ducks near Chotard Lake
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:41 pm
by mississippi_duc_htr
KWAKHED wrote:Just for the record it has nothing to do with green jeans, it is the sheriff dept. in Louisiana.
Oh ok thought it was the
but I went back and reread it!!!yep they prolly been complaining to them... Hope yall get it all worked out.......but in the mean time give em hell!!!!
Re: Ducks near Chotard Lake
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 4:43 pm
by KWAKHED
Rules are rules, it really sucks but what can you do?
Re: Ducks near Chotard Lake
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:26 pm
by Magic Mallard
Same should and will hold true for fishing, but they ain't worried bout that....it's the deer....and they ain't puttin' in on Mississippi, they are on the MS river on the louisiana side and come through the shoot to get access....if'n they came by land it would be about a 80 mile one way trip.....and they'd have to change all the tires on their rigs....know that for sure....sumbithces about swamped my boat last year and I was underway and in MS when they did it.....wish my gun would've been loaded....
St.
Re: Ducks near Chotard Lake
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:42 pm
by blong
Buckwabit wrote:You can hunt the La. side as long as their season is open and you have a Ms. or La. license.
You are mistaken Friend. Where have you been? YOu haven't seen the post on the private land.
NO HUNTING!!!![/quote]
Was written a ticket by a federal warden on Chotard a around 2002. The La. season was closed but Ms. open. He was with a La. warden and they both told us that as long as both seasons were open and we had a license from EITHER state and stayed within normal pool of the lake that it was legal. We got hunting out of season tickets not tresspassing or hunting without a license. When we got to the boat ramp there were two Ms. wardens there that told us the exact same thing so unless new laws have been written about shared waters, you are wrong. Where have you been?
Re: Ducks near Chotard Lake
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:28 pm
by Magic Mallard
Blong....due to a reciprocal agreement between MS and LA you can hunt either state in some portions along the miss river with either or stamp and license....the deal is, you have to be in the waters/land of the state that is open for what you are hunting....hence, you can't be in LA during it's closed season with either license, but if it is open and you are within the banks, you can hunt with either license and stamp.....been doing this for over twenty years and know the law pretty good when it comes to this....problem with Chotard and has always been the problem is freakin' Tara and the money that's associated with it.....they (law enforcement) from LA has harrassed hunters for years and years before this new law was passed through.....now, they have the ammo they need to write valid tickets and they are.....if you don't know exactly where you are and are able to prove it, you are screwed....end of story....
St.
Re: Ducks near Chotard Lake
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:40 pm
by Wildfowler
blong wrote:so unless new laws have been written about shared waters, you are wrong. Where have you been?
I don't think there's any new laws, just a Federal court ruling on the laws that were always in place.
http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/bass ... s_20081007The State of Louisiana subsequently appealed that decision to the (Louisiana) Second Circuit Court of Appeal, which lifted the injunction, agreed that the property was privately owned and rejected the State's argument that the property was the bed of the Mississippi River (and therefore owned by the State). The Second Circuit Court of Appeal determined that a river's bed consists only of the land lying below the river's ordinary low water mark. In the court's opinion, it did not matter that the Mississippi River sometimes flooded the property. In 2005, the Louisiana Supreme Court denied the State's request to hear the case, effectively finalizing the Second Circuit's decision.
Later that year, the federal district court riled that federal law did not give Parm and the others the right to fish on the property.
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit then heard the case and ruled that the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution gives the federal government a "dominant servitude" over the navigable waters of the United States, but that this servitude does not apply to land that is only submerged during periods of high water. Therefore, Parm and the other anglers would not have the right to follow the flood waters and fish outside the channel. Furthermore, the clause only applies to navigational rights and commerce, not fishing for pleasure.
The court had little difficulty in dismissing Parm's claim that Louisiana state law gave him the right to fish up to the high water mark, citing a Louisiana state constitutional provision that gives citizens the right to hunt, fish and trap, but which requires the permission of the landowner where private property is concerned.
Re: Ducks near Chotard Lake
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:47 pm
by blong
I was trying to explain to buckwabit the same thing yall are saying. Somehow it did not quote his "sorry my friend you are mistaken." I know all to well what you can and can't do on shared waters. They had to GPS our coordinates to make sure we were in La.. Also had some buddies come thru the chute this summer and La. sheriff office carried them up river to the office for a breathalizer. When both captains passed , the officers would not even bring them back down the river. Friends have to drive around and get them. Long story short, BE LEGAL ON CHOTARD.