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Actually it is their business and they can get in whole lot of trouble for serving someone that is intoxicated no matter their age. When that person leaves their establishment and runs over someone they can be held liable. If someone is running those places especially with college kids has to monitor their bar and patrons. If I go into a liquor store or anywhere that sells alcohol an appear under the influence you sell me more. Then I go drink more riding around run over someone, you could be held responsible. Its not as likely as what happens in bars, but that came from an ATF officer. We deal with a lot of bars and package stores, so we have to keep up with the risk they take on. How do you think all these lawyers live so high on the hog!

I agree that the law makes it their [serving establishment] business, but the government already is trying to run everything and tell us what we can and can't do.

It's a dam shame that it took a guy dying to bring this problem to the surface though.

420 racin wrote:It's a college town, him drinking at these locations is not the problem I see so much as he took it upon himself to drive after he had been drinking and wrecked. I don't know anything about the wreck or nothing, but kids are going to drink in college, period. I drank when I was at State.
I drank before I was 21 as did most of you I am sure, but as I said the problem here is the fact that he drove after drinking and it cost him his life. I agree they need to be repremanded and have their license revoked for a while, but the real blame lies with the kid. Folks need to take more responsibility for their actions.

I agree 100%. Unfortunately in this sue happy society we live in, there is no individual accountability anymore. It's always someone else's fault.

I think the next female I leave the bar with I will use zero protection and say the hell with it lets have a kid...Then sue the bar because they gave me the drinks...Let them pay my child support (or medical bills )...Sounds like a plan that would actually work if some of these people here worked the child support case

Rice wrote:I think the next female I leave the bar with I will use zero protection and say the hell with it lets have a kid...Then sue the bar because they gave me the drinks...Let them pay my child support (or medical bills )...Sounds like a plan that would actually work if some of these people here worked the child support case

You bees da wrong color....but I bet it could, or has been persued, by "the miniorty".

Bars and other liquor serving establishments have to carry liquor liability just for that fact...and its high. I honestly don't think its the bars fault, but i'm not paid to think about that stuff. Who is to say he was coming directly from Mugshots, and hadnt been at a late night somewhere else. Whoever said there is no accountability anymore, hit the nail on the head. Someone, somewhere needs to tell someone that its their sons fault he couldn't handle his alcohol and its their problem...cold, yes...but its the truth. When stuff like this happens, people see dollar signs and they go to the deepest pockets(and best insurance) they(and the sleazy lawyer that will take the case) can find.

deltadukman wrote:

Rice wrote:I think the next female I leave the bar with I will use zero protection and say the hell with it lets have a kid...Then sue the bar because they gave me the drinks...Let them pay my child support (or medical bills )...Sounds like a plan that would actually work if some of these people here worked the child support case

You bees da wrong color....but I bet it could, or has been persued, by "the miniorty".

Bars and other liquor serving establishments have to carry liquor liability just for that fact...and its high. I honestly don't think its the bars fault, but i'm not paid to think about that stuff. Who is to say he was coming directly from Mugshots, and hadnt been at a late night somewhere else. Whoever said there is no accountability anymore, hit the nail on the head. Someone, somewhere needs to tell someone that its their sons fault he couldn't handle his alcohol and its their problem...cold, yes...but its the truth. When stuff like this happens, people see dollar signs and they go to the deepest pockets(and best insurance) they(and the sleazy lawyer that will take the case) can find.

Actually he wasn't coming straight from Mugshots. He was leaving the Veranda. He had been to the State Theater that night as well. All 3 had their liquor license suspended I believe.

Hard for me to believe he drank at 3 bars without a decent fake i.d. and if that was the case, the bars shouldn't be held responsible. Funny to me, sad actually, that a govt agency can take away a bar's license for being fooled by a fake i.d's but whole cities can turn a blind eye to drivers with no licenses that aren't even U.S. citizens. Those same "sanctuary cities" should be held liable for any deaths caused by illegal alien drivers to follow the precedent set here.

Let me ask this. What if it was your daughter or son that this young man ran over and killed? It is bad enough he had to die for his actions, and I know that we say " Everyone does it". This still doesn't make it right. If they are that hard up for a dollar to serve liquor to anyone it is a shame. If they have any doubt that the person is not of age, ID or not they can refuse to serve them. Sorry to rant but it I have a teenager driving and things like this bother me. It just seems that a lot of people think that this is ok to do just as long as we have a designated driver.

C-MAN wrote:Let me ask this. What if it was your daughter or son that this young man ran over and killed? It is bad enough he had to die for his actions, and I know that we say " Everyone does it". This still doesn't make it right. If they are that hard up for a dollar to serve liquor to anyone it is a shame. If they have any doubt that the person is not of age, ID or not they can refuse to serve them. Sorry to rant but it I have a teenager driving and things like this bother me. It just seems that a lot of people think that this is ok to do just as long as we have a designated driver.

It's a case by case thing. If the underage drinker is buddy buddy with somebody behind the bar and they're knowingly giving drinks to someone who is not only underage but hammered, then yeah I'd say there is some responsibility with the establishment.

If the underage drinker shows what looks to be a valid ID showing they're 21, and there is nothing to show otherwise, there's no reason they shouldn't be served. If, God forbid, one of my children is killed by an underage drunk driver, I would hope I won't go looking to lay blame to the party with the deepest pockets regardless of fault. There's a common sense thing to this, and while it would be devastating to lose someone to a drunk driver (underage or not) we can't go blaming the people who served them drinks if they weren't acting with negligence (well we can, but I don't think we should). And if you tell me that serving a drunk person a drink is negligent, that's just not realistic. I've never been to a bar where only the sober people were buying drinks.

What makes it really tough is the responsible party often times ends up dead as well, leaving no one to blame. It's a terrible situation to be in, no doubt about it.

C-MAN wrote:It just seems that a lot of people think that this is ok to do just as long as we have a designated driver.

To clear things up, I am not one to ever say drinking and driving is ok because everyone else is doing it. Heck, kids nowadays are chittin in paper sacks and huffin' it to get high. Just cause they are doesn't mean I am.

BUT, in regards to your quoted section above, I think it is perfectly fine to get hammered at a bar if you are of age and have a DD. Why would it not be?

I see what your saying. You used the words Common sense. I agree that this is what is missing. If you choose to drink in a bar or at home that is your business, BUT when you leave the establishment your in public and things have changed. Your actions affect everone. All I am saying is that if a drunk in a bar keeps asking for more and they keep serving because of the almighty dollar or for whatever reason, they are not using their common sense. I guess if we choose to drink at some bars we are at the mercy of our pocketbook and the person serving us. I appreicate the response. Talking about things like this makes everyone think about their actions including myself.

I remember the days, as I am sure most of you on this board do. Late teens early 20s, when you were on top of the world and felt invincable(sp). I am not many years seperrated from those days. The time in life when you hear of things like this but tell yourself that it wont happen to you. Most of us have been in that young mans shoes at some point in history, and all know that if the bars serve you, you get nasty. I however do not blame the bar, not sure how you can, in a busy place the bar tender cant and shouldnt be expected to keep up with how much a person has drank. If drinkin establishments were to cut a person off when they are intoxicated I would say on average most places would have little business. When I was in college and broke we always got drunk before we went to the bar so we wouldnt spend as much money.