Is Cam Clean?

[augustus_65]

Please stop posting "articles" from the Bleacher Report.

Look at the authors profile: http://bleacherreport.com/users/258790-jimmy-chen

You're not doing yourself any favors....

You posted an article by Paul Davis from the Tuskegee News and you are criticizing someone else. Now that's funny. Clearly you don't know Paul Davis.

[webbmaster]

No, I sure don't. But that article isnt saying anything about the real issue here.

Which is: YOU HAVE A PLAYER ON YOUR TEAM WHOSE FATHER HAS ADMITTED TO PIMPING OUT HIS SON FOR MONEY. HE PROPOSED IT TO ONE SCHOOL, THEY DID NOT ACCEPT, AND DAYS LATER HE GOES TO BOOG U.
YALL ARE SCREWED!!!

I would hope Auburn doesnt use anything from the Bleacher Report or the Tuskegee News to defend themselves from the wrath that the NCAA will eventually put on them.

[Po Monkey Lounger]

I think that Deagle is close with this synopsis:

So, here is what I gather from the whole situation. Cam is recruited by State. Daddy Newton wants money, but State says NO. However, they continue to recruit Cam under acceptable guidelines. Things fall through & State reports the illegal activity to the SEC in January. Time rocks on & the season starts. Now, the SEC decides to possibly fine State because the fans make noise with cowbells. So State is looking at losing money because the fans are uncontrollable. All-the-while, Auburn gets praised for having a great season, which they have, and a possible shot at the National Championship, with a QB who may have possibly been involved in a major violation. Slive's office sees Auburn as the SEC's only chance to play for the NC, so they sweep the investigation under the rug. However, they continue to threaten State about the cowbells.

My thinking is that State has had enough with the SEC's BS to fine them, and do nothing with the Newton situation. Slive gets angry because he has been exposed to the NCAA, and starts crowing about guidelines that should be followed when reporting violations. Now the story gets twisted to point fingers at State. Looks to me like Slive may have to attend a few more meetings with the NCAA than he had anticipated.

However, this is where I differ. It appears that Bond did the right thing by calling the MSU AD immediately after learning from Rogers/Rogers' minions that Cecil had his hand out (this was in November). After this, it gets fuzzy. MSU not reporting anything until after signing date (December 31 for Jucos) does not look good. BUT, they did report something to the SEC office (I would really like to see what exactly was reported). However, the SEC office says that MSU did NOT provide the info/details regarding the alleged separate telephone conferences between the Newtons(Cecil and Cam) and the MSU coaches/or "recruiters" who were not coaches.....hmmmm. It is the content of these alleged conferences (if true) that are perhaps the most damning to Auburn re a pay for play scheme. IF this is true, why would MSU have not provided this info (including any reported audio tape) to the SEC? I have my own theory based upon the reports I am hearing that the persons involved in these conferences with the Newtons were not on the MSU coaching staff (Tim Brando alluded to this during his college football coverage this past Sat.). I think that MSU reported this to the SEC, after the fact, in January in order to cover its booty in the event that the schit ever hit the fan later (Cecil Newton was obviously a loose cannon). BUT, MSU did not provide to the SEC office all of the the info it had(including alleged audio tapes) of the conferences with the Newtons because while such would certainly back up the claims of impropriety on the part of the Newtons/Auburn, it would also implicate MSU in NCAA recruiting violations --- direct contact between representatives of MSU (who were not MSU coaches and thus not authorized to engage in recruiting) and the Newtons. I don't think MSU wanted to be a snitch. As a matter of fact, I doubt that MSU wanted to report anything at all in this matter ---primarily due to Mullen's past relationship with Cam and due to just not wanting to be involved in a bunch of schit. But, MSU decided, as a CYA measure, to report the minimum that it thought it could get away with to the SEC in January, hoping that such would be the end of the matter---except for maybe using it as a bargaining chip to get the SEC's assistance with the basketball player eligibility issues and off its back re the cowbells. And I really don't think that the SEC office was wanting to push this Newton matter either ---probably hoping to sweep it under the rug.

So, what was the catalyst that put pressure on the SEC office to push MSU for the requested more detailed information, to which MSU responded in July (and which apparently still did not include the evidence of the alleged incriminating conferences with the Newtons)? This is the part of this saga that is the most puzzling to me. After July, it was no doubt the "leaked" info to the media that eventually forced MSU's hand on the more detailed information, and set this entire saga in motion. Were there earlier leaks? I think something happened to turn this thing from a "hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil" matter into a fingerpointing exercise that would make members of Congress envious.

As for what happens to Auburn, I think DeltaMud nailed it with this statement:

Basically, no matter what happens, whether Auburn paid for him or not, the fact that he or his family asked State for cash makes Cam ineligible to play for anyone. Therefore, all wins in which he participated will eventually be vacated. If Auburn did pay for him, not only will the wins be vacated, they will face very bad probation.

[big gumbo]

This W&L poster from Bama Oline is supposed to be straigt cash money and here is a rare post that's made the rounds today:

unlike Aubs and Gadsden, and (insert recruit X here) being sold to Bama, this tale of cheating is factual and fatal. I cannot nor will I say anything other than this.

Auburn is going on probation for a very long time. enjoy playing cam yesterday to keep Bama from Atlanta. enjoy playing cam so that you could give your fans a send off to Atlanta. enjoy watching a player who gave your program the finger kneel at the goalpost so your "family" could be fooled again. He and his family could care less about you.

Save it.....repeat it..put in on the bunker.........mark my word and my reputation (which means nothing at all in the true sense of the word after all..this is an internet board for goodness sake..VBG)

You are about to be publically humiliated and punished harder than any College Football team in history..except SMU.

Cam will be stricken from your record books. All wins, championships, and records will be gone. You will spend a decade at the BOTTOM of the SEC West, and financial hits will devastate your entire school (note..not the AD alone).

You will reinforce your reputation as the most corrupt college program in history. You will be forced to change the name of your "field". You will lose to Alabama for a decade if not more. And finally, if leadership can be brought to the forefront, (and yes, this is the only prediction about which I cannot put forth what I consider strong evidence), you will be kicked out of the Southeastern Conference in a unanimous vote.

Enjoy this limited run. And Will Collier..yes I know you will read this post...Hell is REALLY coming to burn your program to the ground. Go ahead and get your "conspiracy theories" ready..go ahead and try to figure out how you can claim championships that were rightfully stipped from you..go ahead and focus on how you will bring down Alabama, your singular obsession in life.

Your hell continues this week..........we here plan to enjoy your pain.

[stang67]

Po Monk, I think it's hilarious how your posts deal so much with MSU in this thread. But anyway, we reported little because we had ZERO to tell about any other institution -- and that fact remains. Also from Slive's laziness with this whole issue, I think it is obvious to even the most anti-Bulldogs why we didn't spill our guts to him.

[adame]

I just read all 37 pages on TD

[big gumbo]

I just read all 37 pages on TD

That, I didn't do

[farmerc83]

Po Monk, I think it's hilarious how your posts deal so much with MSU in this thread. But anyway, we reported little because we had ZERO to tell about any other institution -- and that fact remains. Also from Slive's laziness with this whole issue, I think it is obvious to even the most anti-Bulldogs why we didn't spill our guts to him.

+1 Cecil has admitted to selling his kid. Thats all State took to the SEC. In that whole TigerDroppings thread there was not a mention of State being at fault in this. State told what they knew which was that they were ask for $$$. If they didn't come up with it and Cam went somewhere else then it doesn't take a very bright person to realize the other guys more than likely paid. Rogers may have played at State, but its pretty obvious that his loyalty lies with whoever has the money.

[bigsprig]

this just in.....cam newton is now being run up on animal cruelty charges.









he abused a bunch of bulldogs in front of 87000 people this past saturday. cbs has video of the whole incident.

[Deltamud77]

The tigerdroppings thread has gotten more interesting (linked above). Someone pulled an article in which former Auburn coach Bowden is interviewed and links BL to paying players...in essence, a trust fund akin to what SMU was doing.

I will say this, that thread in TD is probably the most epic thread in the history of sports message boards...I am serious.

Po Monk, it may mention in the aforementioned TD thread, not sure, but there is speculation that the reason State, the SEC and NCAA drug their feet is a correlation with FBI wiretaps that had incidentally picked up conversation above collecting money to pay Cam and other players. The FBI wanted to keep it on the down-low so as not to burn their cover and alert the people they were investigating.

I think several things are now very clear: (1) Cam Newton, under no circumstance, is eligible to play college football because he or his dad solicited money for play, i.e., all is for not for AU this year...it will all be vacated; (2) MSU is not implicated in this to the extent they will receive any probation from the NCAA; (3) there is solid reason to believe that Cam Newton was paid to play at AU; (4) there is mounting evidence others were paid to play at AU; and (5) AU is going to get hit with monumental probation.

[farmerc83]

Po Monk, it may mention in the aforementioned TD thread, not sure, but there is speculation that the reason State, the SEC and NCAA drug their feet is a correlation with FBI wiretaps that had incidentally picked up conversation above collecting money to pay Cam and other players. The FBI wanted to keep it on the down-low so as not to burn their cover and alert the people they were investigating.

Think there may be a lot of merit to this. This is purely speculation but IMO State told what they knew to the SEC and backed off. One of two things happened with the SEC office. 1) Just like Delta said, they drug their feet because they were asked to by the FBI or 2) Slive drug his feet because he has a dirty hand or two in a dirty cookie jar. Then one of two happened with the NCAA. 1) Per Mud again they were slow cause the feds told them to be or 2) they were being misled by Slive's office trying to hide any dirty doings that he may be involved in or at least have knowledge of.

The Fed's taps for the boosters/lobbying firm scandal could have been going on simultaneous to the investigation by the SEC/NCAA and when the trails started converging the Feds took over telling everyone else to say they were investigating the allegations. Or the SEC "investigation" could have truly been complete, the NCAA satisfied with its lack of findings and then the FBI called up and said hey, we need to interview some guys surrounding this Cam Newton deal, turn over everything you found. SEC turns over info about Bond and Rogers and meetings are set w/ the FBI for them to be questioned.

I'm no Auburn student, grad or booster so my interest is mostly in Slive's part in this whole thing. Not saying that he did anything wrong at all if he has been going at the instruction of the Feds, just want to know for sure since he has hung State out in the wind.

[augustus_65]

I think several things are now very clear: (1) Cam Newton, under no circumstance, is eligible to play college football because he or his dad solicited money for play, i.e., all is for not for AU this year...it will all be vacated; (2) MSU is not implicated in this to the extent they will receive any probation from the NCAA; (3) there is solid reason to believe that Cam Newton was paid to play at AU; (4) there is mounting evidence others were paid to play at AU; and (5) AU is going to get hit with monumental probation.

Can you cite a single credible source to back up any of your conjecture involving Auburn?

[webbmaster]

Cam Newton admitted to asking for money for his son.

INELIGIBLE.

[augustus_65]

Actually the article published Friday night cites an unnamed source as stating Cecil Newton made the statement. There have been no direct quotes from Cecil Newton. And I am still waiting for credible information that Auburn has committed a violation in recruiting Newton or any other player.

[Deltamud77]

I think several things are now very clear: (1) Cam Newton, under no circumstance, is eligible to play college football because he or his dad solicited money for play, i.e., all is for not for AU this year...it will all be vacated; (2) MSU is not implicated in this to the extent they will receive any probation from the NCAA; (3) there is solid reason to believe that Cam Newton was paid to play at AU; (4) there is mounting evidence others were paid to play at AU; and (5) AU is going to get hit with monumental probation.

Can you cite a single credible source to back up any of your conjecture involving Auburn?

Cecil has admitted to asking for money for his son...that was in the AJC last week I believe. As to your question, I'll answer the rest with a question, can you cite a single credible source to refute anything that I have mentioned above? Of course not. Look, I don't have a dog in the fight anymore. AU won the west...end of story. However, if they are dirty, and there sure seems to be a lot of circumstantial and hearsay evidence to indicate that they are dirty, they should be punished.