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Re: been working on these since summer...

Postby DUCK-HUNT » Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:55 am

Please explain what you did here. I had forgotten about this until just now. You go from telling me earlier that the insert is yours, to now saying you ordered parts and put them together. Did you at least turn the barrel or is that a part too? When you say tune did you modify the tone board? Or was tuning done by way of reed length..... U say you don't have a jig so I sounds like you got some echo inserts, trimmed some reeds, and stuck it in a barrel

You tried to make it sound like it was completely 100% origina, your tone board, barrel, etc.... When it is obvious it is not
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Re: been working on these since summer...

Postby camlock » Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:32 am

DUCK-HUNT wrote:Please explain what you did here. I had forgotten about this until just now. You go from telling me earlier that the insert is yours, to now saying you ordered parts and put them together. Did you at least turn the barrel or is that a part too? When you say tune did you modify the tone board? Or was tuning done by way of reed length..... U say you don't have a jig so I sounds like you got some echo inserts, trimmed some reeds, and stuck it in a barrel

You tried to make it sound like it was completely 100% origina, your tone board, barrel, etc.... When it is obvious it is not
I don't owe you an explanation for anything, I dont know why u are so concerned with this. Are u the duck call police Jesus, sorry i gave a false impression but i didnt try to sale you anything so I dont owe u any explanation, and I really dont get why you give a $#!+?

Do have a jig, dont have moldbut preferred the poly , said that in last post... still what's it matter to you?
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Re: been working on these since summer...

Postby timberjack » Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:38 am

Cam, they look good, hope your business does well. Is there a way to attach a sound file so we can hear it? Dont pay any attention to the negativity, nice to see someone being creative and trying to make it out there, good luck.
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Re: been working on these since summer...

Postby camlock » Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:41 am

timberjack wrote:Cam, they look good, hope your business does well. Is there a way to attach a sound file so we can hear it? Dont pay any attention to the negativity, nice to see someone being creative and trying to make it out there, good luck.
Thx, gonna record some clips from blind
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Re: been working on these since summer...

Postby DUCK-HUNT » Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:03 am

camlock wrote:
DUCK-HUNT wrote:Sorry I am looking at this on a phone looked like an echo... Are they SGC? Or did you actually design the insert ?


You asked what we thought.... Shoulda asked for positive responses only...
No man, I'm totally cool with critique...I'm not upset or anything, just pointing out your assumptions were wrong and plenty of people make them...

They do closely resemble and Echo...insert is mine, but it closely resembles what you are thinking of (and I mighta destroy a few of your assumptions getting there :wink: ) ...not a whole lot left to do than what they are producing for call manufacturers...creative window is closing


This is why I am concerned


You called me a lie then said the insert is yours which isn't true.
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Re: been working on these since summer...

Postby camlock » Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:14 am

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camlock wrote:
DUCK-HUNT wrote:Sorry I am looking at this on a phone looked like an echo... Are they SGC? Or did you actually design the insert ?


You asked what we thought.... Shoulda asked for positive responses only...
No man, I'm totally cool with critique...I'm not upset or anything, just pointing out your assumptions were wrong and plenty of people make them...

They do closely resemble and Echo...insert is mine, but it closely resembles what you are thinking of (and I mighta destroy a few of your assumptions getting there :wink: ) ...not a whole lot left to do than what they are producing for call manufacturers...creative window is closing


This is why I am concerned


You called me a lie then said the insert is yours which isn't true.
didn't call you a lie, I didn't buy the inserts from Echo like you assumed and I told you that; I see where I gave you the impression I didn't come across too well, wasn't my intentions but I don't really care at this point, I tried to explain that and apologized for the impression...I don't own the mold, I don't know what original mold they came from (if Echo is selling their molds to parts distributors, not really my business, unlike some it's not really important to me what call makers doing with their own business I don't follow it) and I don't care, I started with that and worked from there...if I destroyed box full of product and spent a considerable amount money trying different things and tearing $#!+ up but couldn't buy a damn mold that wouldn't made 2 cents worth difference in sound, I'll call it mine and I did, wasn't calling YOU a liar...if you thought nothing of it, maybe you should just not chime in if best you can do is be condescending and smart ass from the jump...then we wouldn't be going back and forth and you wouldn't feel like I was calling you a lie
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Re: been working on these since summer...

Postby quit calling » Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:26 am

You posted for some feedback, so here it is.....

Many of us in business and many of us who make calls see people come along and throw something together, put a logo on it and call it their own. Everyone has their right to do so and can market the hell out of something and try to make a profit. The call making industry is no different. Especially in the molded plastic calls. There is some call makers that have their line of calls and then get a mold made to offer a less expensive version.. i.e. polycarb calls. ........The point where this thread got off track is that the inserts were claimed to be your own. There is no shame for someone starting out to claim they are using echo inserts. There are hundreds and hundreds of people selling barrels with echo inserts. They sound great if that's what you like. There have been thousands if not millions of ducks killed by echo calls. Look on ebay or etsy and you will see all the people selling these inserts with barrels. There is no shame in it. Just be up front with it and don't lie about it. If you are retuning a factory tuned insert because you can make it better, then by all means tell everyone what they need to do and call Rick Dunn and the guys, because I am sure they would pay you a consultation fee.
Many of us that have been around call making for a while have pretty much seen everything as far as people and their ideas to be the next big call maker. Guys new to the game will take others inserts and copy them to try to get a jig made. People will copy exact designs, slopes, radius, tone channel depth, tone channel size, back boring length, back boring size, ......and then claim it to be their own. If you want to truly learn the ins and outs of call making go to http://www.customcalls.com/ and absorb as much as you can. There is a wealth of knowledge and everyone continues to learn no matter how long we do this craft.

I would suggest one thing on the design. Friction fit inserts are pushed into the barrel. Often people push the insert too far into the barrel. If you put a band on your barrel you will decrease the likelihood of someone splitting the barrel by jamming the insert in to hard.

Good luck with your venture.
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Re: been working on these since summer...

Postby camlock » Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:44 am

quit calling wrote:You posted for some feedback, so here it is.....

Many of us in business and many of us who make calls see people come along and throw something together, put a logo on it and call it their own. Everyone has their right to do so and can market the hell out of something and try to make a profit. The call making industry is no different. Especially in the molded plastic calls. There is some call makers that have their line of calls and then get a mold made to offer a less expensive version.. i.e. polycarb calls. ........The point where this thread got off track is that the inserts were claimed to be your own. There is no shame for someone starting out to claim they are using echo inserts. There are hundreds and hundreds of people selling barrels with echo inserts. They sound great if that's what you like. There have been thousands if not millions of ducks killed by echo calls. Look on ebay or etsy and you will see all the people selling these inserts with barrels. There is no shame in it. Just be up front with it and don't lie about it. If you are retuning a factory tuned insert because you can make it better, then by all means tell everyone what they need to do and call Rick Dunn and the guys, because I am sure they would pay you a consultation fee.
Many of us that have been around call making for a while have pretty much seen everything as far as people and their ideas to be the next big call maker. Guys new to the game will take others inserts and copy them to try to get a jig made. People will copy exact designs, slopes, radius, tone channel depth, tone channel size, back boring length, back boring size, ......and then claim it to be their own. If you want to truly learn the ins and outs of call making go to http://www.customcalls.com/ and absorb as much as you can. There is a wealth of knowledge and everyone continues to learn no matter how long we do this craft.

I would suggest one thing on the design. Friction fit inserts are pushed into the barrel. Often people push the insert too far into the barrel. If you put a band on your barrel you will decrease the likelihood of someone splitting the barrel by jamming the insert in to hard.

Good luck with your venture.
thanks, like I said to duck-hunt I truly wasn't trying to be misleading...it's off you are right...but the like I've been saying from the get go, it's not my intention to become a industry innovator in duck calls....that's NOT my business, I just wanted to see if we could do an affordable line of calls to provide some more product. I'm NOT pushing my brand and I'm trying not to b/c I haven't convinced the pockets to buy a ad package from Micah...but I'm not a custom innovator duck call venture or entrepreneur, just trying to put together some products for an existing market. I came across wrong b/c I honestly don't know what Echo or anybody else is doing with their molds the inserts came from, if they are an Echo mold then they were as close to what I wanted as I went through different parts getting what I was looking for...we looked into our own, but it didn't make sense given it woulda been so incredible similar to these (and several other factory inserts) and cost more than we could justify for building a handful of calls...
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Re: been working on these since summer...

Postby DUCK-HUNT » Tue Nov 13, 2012 10:34 am

Ok back to the beginning.... Did you at least turn the barrels? Or did you buy those parts too?

You came on here trying make it sound like you designed this call from the floor up then tried to make me look like an idiot or 100% wrong in what I was saying. You fanned the fire so it took off. If you didn't try to make everyone believe it was your design and your inserts this would have ended on the first page. You are just like 1000s of people I see at shows every year as well. Trying to sell something that's already being sold in a different dress. I would wish you luck but I hate a liar


Maybe existing call makers can pay y'all to assemble calls since you are taking existing parts and putting them together. May make more money this way??
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Re: been working on these since summer...

Postby camlock » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:04 am

DUCK-HUNT wrote: You came on here trying make it sound like you designed this call from the floor up then tried to make me look like an idiot or 100% wrong in what I was saying. You fanned the fire so it took off. If you didn't try to make everyone believe it was your design and your inserts this would have ended on the first page. You are just like 1000s of people I see at shows every year as well. Trying to sell something that's already being sold in a different dress. I would wish you luck but I hate a liar
do you walk up to their tables or booths with your chest stuck out and challenge everything they do with their work, question their practices, ask condescending questions to back them in a corner in front of whatever audience you have and then call them liars when they don't share everything they do with their business too? Or is the internet your preferred methods for being a condescending a-hole? Just wondering....

thanks for considering the well wishes, I don't need em though... doing fine and have been for a while, and will continue....I hope you kill a ton a ducks this year with all your worthy calls...
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Re: been working on these since summer...

Postby camlock » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:09 am

I guess I should listen to a few and stop worrying about it and arguing, sorry for causing a stir....really hate back and forth crap on the site, it's supposed to be a place I enjoy. I'm done with the thread, prob shouldn't have posted anyway without talking to Micah....thanks for everybody feedback good and bad.
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Re: been working on these since summer...

Postby DUCK-HUNT » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:20 am

camlock wrote:
DUCK-HUNT wrote: You came on here trying make it sound like you designed this call from the floor up then tried to make me look like an idiot or 100% wrong in what I was saying. You fanned the fire so it took off. If you didn't try to make everyone believe it was your design and your inserts this would have ended on the first page. You are just like 1000s of people I see at shows every year as well. Trying to sell something that's already being sold in a different dress. I would wish you luck but I hate a liar
do you walk up to their tables or booths with your chest stuck out and challenge everything they do with their work, question their practices, ask condescending questions to back them in a corner in front of whatever audience you have and then call them liars when they don't share everything they do with their business too? Or is the internet your preferred methods for being a condescending a-hole? Just wondering....

thanks for considering the well wishes, I don't need em though... doing fine and have been for a while, and will continue....I hope you kill a ton a ducks this year with all your worthy calls...

When i ask them the same questions I asked you and they lie and say yeah its our designed insert when it is obvious to most it isnt then yes I will question them....
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Re: been working on these since summer...

Postby deeksdown » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:25 am

learned something about making calls and such a while back.. YOU WILL NEVER MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY WITH YOUR PRODUCT. IF YOU ENJOY MAKING/SELLING/ASSEMBLING YOUR CALLS THEN HELL WITH EVERYONE ELSE.. DO WHAT YOU LIKE AND ENJOY!!

From a call makers standpoint, does it bother me when people make "custom calls" and stick an echo insert in a turned barrel.. Yes, but on the same sense if thats the STEP it takes a person to get interested in the heritage of call making so be it as long as they realize that the heart of a custom call is in the toneboard. But as far as this thread goes, i think a lot of it has been taken way out of context. i don't think camlock was every claiming to be a custom call maker yet he was just introducing a new product for his store as a cheap and easy manufactured duck call that he tweaked to make it sound better.. and i have no problems or issues with that.. i think if the product sounds good (which im sure it does being that insert) they will sell and be catchy to the eye. and i think thats what he was going after. so camlock go on doing what makes ya happy and money and haters gonna hate no matter what
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Re: been working on these since summer...

Postby deltadukman » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:26 am

You just got alot of free advertisement with no sponsorship......no lie :o
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Re: been working on these since summer...

Postby camlock » Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:37 am

deltadukman wrote:You just got alot of free advertisement with no sponsorship......no lie :o
I know, why I said I shouldn't have, I feel bad about that too wasn't my intention...I been trying to get an ad bought for a while....hopefully I can make that happen very soon.

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