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Re: Mississippi Politics - Discussion

Postby lilham » Mon Mar 02, 2015 2:50 pm

Sab316....you seem to want to address/fix a lot of issues/problems (weed, prison system, racism) that have a small impact(in comparison) on society.

I don't smoke weed. I don't care if you do, but don't tell me the sky is falling and weed is the answer. I have no issue with selling medical marijuana. I would need more information from both sides-not just pro-weed- to make an informed decision. I think it will be legal one day and it will generate tons of tax dollars. I don't think the State of MS is set up to regulate weed at this time, just like law enforcement in Colorado was not and still is not.

People are not in jail because of weed. They are in jail because they BROKE the law. If weed was legal, I figure 90% of the same people in jail for weed would still be there for another reason, so I don't see a tax savings. The prison system will always be full and cost the tax payers as long as our parental foundation and education system in this country is broken.

Racism exist and always will. Racism goes both ways. Racism equals hate. Most people confuse lack of respect for hate. Just because I don't have any respect for a person, does not mean I hate them. I hate very few people. I probably hate more whites than blacks. However, I don't respect a lot of people. Respect is earned...not given. Respect yourself and others and most will respect you. I can honestly say that I don't Hate anyone based on the color of their skin. A lot of people get stereotyped. If you don't like being put into a group....don't act, dress, or hang around that group. I do realize that there will always be the small minority that will not conform.
Mississippi is stuck in the past, we're full of old white men stuck in their ways. There is a reason we are one of the dumbest, fattest, least attractive states in the union. We're doing nothing to better our image.
Post like this make me think you dislike MS. Why should MS conform to you? You are free to move to any of the cities you mentioned-Denver, Seattle.
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Re: Mississippi Politics - Discussion

Postby kb7722 » Mon Mar 02, 2015 3:57 pm

lilham wrote:Sab316....you seem to want to address/fix a lot of issues/problems (weed, prison system, racism) that have a small impact(in comparison) on society.

I don't smoke weed. I don't care if you do, but don't tell me the sky is falling and weed is the answer. I have no issue with selling medical marijuana. I would need more information from both sides-not just pro-weed- to make an informed decision. I think it will be legal one day and it will generate tons of tax dollars. I don't think the State of MS is set up to regulate weed at this time, just like law enforcement in Colorado was not and still is not.

People are not in jail because of weed. They are in jail because they BROKE the law. If weed was legal, I figure 90% of the same people in jail for weed would still be there for another reason, so I don't see a tax savings. The prison system will always be full and cost the tax payers as long as our parental foundation and education system in this country is broken.

Racism exist and always will. Racism goes both ways. Racism equals hate. Most people confuse lack of respect for hate. Just because I don't have any respect for a person, does not mean I hate them. I hate very few people. I probably hate more whites than blacks. However, I don't respect a lot of people. Respect is earned...not given. Respect yourself and others and most will respect you. I can honestly say that I don't Hate anyone based on the color of their skin. A lot of people get stereotyped. If you don't like being put into a group....don't act, dress, or hang around that group. I do realize that there will always be the small minority that will not conform.
Mississippi is stuck in the past, we're full of old white men stuck in their ways. There is a reason we are one of the dumbest, fattest, least attractive states in the union. We're doing nothing to better our image.
Post like this make me think you dislike MS. Why should MS conform to you? You are free to move to any of the cities you mentioned-Denver, Seattle.
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Re: Mississippi Politics - Discussion

Postby deltadukman » Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:32 pm

Exactly, weed will not fix the major problem in MS, and its not racism when its the truth. The drains on our society are those that dont care to or will not work, yet take most of the benefit the working class pays for. THAT is the real problem with this state and country and no amount of weed will fix it. And Ive tried it once and im not sure if I am 100% for it being legalized.
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Re: Mississippi Politics - Discussion

Postby teul2 » Mon Mar 02, 2015 4:38 pm

deltadukman wrote:And Ive tried it once and im not sure if I am 100% for it being legalized.
If you're like me, weed causes some weird things. I get this HUGE growth on my a$S, called a couch. I don't really care for it.
And everyone knows it's a gateway drug. Mostly to snacking.
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Re: Mississippi Politics - Discussion

Postby 3spop » Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:00 pm

sab316 wrote:

Mississippi is stuck in the past, we're full of old white men stuck in their ways. There is a reason we are one of the dumbest, fattest, least attractive states in the union. We're doing nothing to better our image.
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So you think the reason we are one of the dumbest and fattest states in the union is old white men??
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Re: Mississippi Politics - Discussion

Postby sab316 » Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:55 am

I love Mississippi. I chose to stay here over going to Denver, or going to Georgia for job offers. I chose to go to Mississippi State. The reason I say those things is because we're so far behind the curve its not even funny. We're not a desirable place for many jobs. Our public schools are a joke for the most part among many other things. I want to see this state thrive as much as anyone else. Just because I'm not staunch right wing conservative to my bones, doesn't mean I don't love this state. That's another thing wrong with this Political system we're in, there is no middle ground. Just like earlier in this thread... I was called a liberal because maybe I support a few things they push for. Yet I support gun ownership, getting people off welfare and food stamps etc etc. BUT because I support one of the things they do, I'm a damned atheist lefty out to get the hard working southern man.

I don't think weed legalization is the fix for all problems, but I think it could seriously put the right foot forward in getting Mississippi back on track. It creates jobs, gives farmers another source of revenue along with the numerous benefits. Helps with glaucoma, helps people with seizures, helps cancer patients dealing with radiation, helps with multiple sclerosis, helps people with Chron's disease, reduces inflammation and helps with arthritis, and helps with PTSD to name a few.

If people want to say cannabis is a gateway drug, then you need to start with alcohol. So lets go back to the 1920's and start back up prohibition. Oh wait? You like to partake in a whiskey drink or a beer? Well guess what, last year 2,200 people died of alcohol poisoning. You know how many people have died from Marijuana overdose since the beginning of time? ZERO.

Also the white old men reference is because we're stuck in the past. Its 2015. This will also have me called a liberal because I don't think the same way as most of you do, but gay marriage... WHO CARES. It's not your life. It affects you in ZERO WAYS. Most people on the right side will say, "By God, the government can't tell me I can't have my guns!!!" but in the same breath you want the government to say that a gay couple can't marry. I have gay friends, and you know what? They are as normal as you and I.

Yes racism goes both ways, and yes some black people feel entitled for nothing. But I've been around too many people calling my best friend the N word, without knowing a single thing about him because of the color of his skin. I've seen the guy go out of his way and help an old lady with her groceries. I've seen him spend his time with the 4k and 5k'ers just because he could. I've seen him run across the street to help my mom carry bags inside the house among numerous other things. BUT ignorant people, and I'm sure a few on this board, would call him the N word because of his skin.

Being stuck in old ways is what is holding MS back.
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Re: Mississippi Politics - Discussion

Postby peewee » Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:23 am

sab316 wrote:I love Mississippi. I chose to stay here over going to Denver, or going to Georgia for job offers. I chose to go to Mississippi State. The reason I say those things is because we're so far behind the curve its not even funny. We're not a desirable place for many jobs. Our public schools are a joke for the most part among many other things.
I disagree with the fact the whole state is that far behind. In my previous job for 11 years I was fortunate enough to work in about 40 states. Many times this work would involve me being in a particular area for several weeks at a time therefore I have a pretty good view of country looks like (particularly the North, North East, East Coast and the un-free state of California). I have said it many times if you take the MS Delta out of the statistics we will rank right the in the middle with the rest of the nation. There are many poor schools in our state but there are some great ones also. What drags our schools down the gutter is not a $ problem, it is a culture problem. When you have parents that don't care enough to do whatever is possible to make sure their child is a great education your school or district will always be left behind. There is a reason private schools can educate kids who score high on college entrance exams at 1/2 the cost of the local public school. I have personally experienced the differnce in two different school districts and what their PTO programs look like. One there will be less than 20 parents attending the meeting, the other if you show up right on time you will be lucky to find a seat. Guess what District is producing and which is failing. As far as racism, sadly it is everywhere. I have experienced some of the worst openly racial slurs in Newark, NJ that I have ever heard. If you spend any amount of time in other parts of the country you know it goes both ways, but we get blamed and hammered for it b/c of MS past. I have a friend that is a service member that spent a fair amount of time in Europe and I heard him state that racism over here is nothing compared to over there (I don't know that for fact b/c I have never been) but it tells me that it is everywhere but the media exaggerates it to certain parts of the country to fit its agenda.
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Re: Mississippi Politics - Discussion

Postby cwink » Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:23 am

sab316 wrote:I love Mississippi. I chose to stay here over going to Denver, or going to Georgia for job offers. I chose to go to Mississippi State. The reason I say those things is because we're so far behind the curve its not even funny. We're not a desirable place for many jobs. Our public schools are a joke for the most part among many other things. I want to see this state thrive as much as anyone else. Just because I'm not staunch right wing conservative to my bones, doesn't mean I don't love this state. That's another thing wrong with this Political system we're in, there is no middle ground. Just like earlier in this thread... I was called a liberal because maybe I support a few things they push for. Yet I support gun ownership, getting people off welfare and food stamps etc etc. BUT because I support one of the things they do, I'm a damned atheist lefty out to get the hard working southern man.

I don't think weed legalization is the fix for all problems, but I think it could seriously put the right foot forward in getting Mississippi back on track. It creates jobs, gives farmers another source of revenue along with the numerous benefits. Helps with glaucoma, helps people with seizures, helps cancer patients dealing with radiation, helps with multiple sclerosis, helps people with Chron's disease, reduces inflammation and helps with arthritis, and helps with PTSD to name a few.

If people want to say cannabis is a gateway drug, then you need to start with alcohol. So lets go back to the 1920's and start back up prohibition. Oh wait? You like to partake in a whiskey drink or a beer? Well guess what, last year 2,200 people died of alcohol poisoning. You know how many people have died from Marijuana overdose since the beginning of time? ZERO.

Also the white old men reference is because we're stuck in the past. Its 2015. This will also have me called a liberal because I don't think the same way as most of you do, but gay marriage... WHO CARES. It's not your life. It affects you in ZERO WAYS. Most people on the right side will say, "By God, the government can't tell me I can't have my guns!!!" but in the same breath you want the government to say that a gay couple can't marry. I have gay friends, and you know what? They are as normal as you and I.

Yes racism goes both ways, and yes some black people feel entitled for nothing. But I've been around too many people calling my best friend the N word, without knowing a single thing about him because of the color of his skin. I've seen the guy go out of his way and help an old lady with her groceries. I've seen him spend his time with the 4k and 5k'ers just because he could. I've seen him run across the street to help my mom carry bags inside the house among numerous other things. BUT ignorant people, and I'm sure a few on this board, would call him the N word because of his skin.

Being stuck in old ways is what is holding MS back.
sab, you make some good points.. I grew up in a different culture in South Texas. One of my best friends was a Black guy and I have family members that are in mixed marriages with Hispanics and I have cousins and uncles that speak both fluent English and Spanish. So I have no issues with race. In fact I have both 1 biological son 1 mixed race adopted Son and I can't remember which one is which. In college when I moved into my dorm, it took all of 2 seconds to fiqure out my new assigned roommate was gay and I could have easily yelled and screamed for a new roommate, but I chose to finish out the semester and I used it as a learning opportunity.

I moved to MS in 1996 when I was 24 years old (that was 19 years ago) and it was quite a culture shock. Everywhere I turned people threw around the N word like it was nothing (and they still do it, even on this site) and all I can do is shake my head and :roll:. People did everything at a slower pace than I was used to and I can't tell you how many times I was asked if I was a Yankee because of the way I talked.

After almost 20 years in this state I can say that there are some issues here in the state, and there are some very good things here as well.

First on Racism, It is true that there is a lot of racism still in this State, and it might be getting worse. I know that it is starting to get worse in my home state of Tx as well. While in the past MS has been racist strickly on color alone, I believe the racism is driven now more by culture than by color. Growing up in Texas we had illegal immigrants all over the place, a common derogatory term was "wet backs". But 30 years ago, when a Mexican crossed the border, they came here to work hard, learn the language and assimilate into the South Texas culture. I had no problem with that. When I moved to MS, I was shocked at how few Mexicans were here. In fact it took me about 6 months to learn how to use the ATM machine without first having to select English or Spanish language on it. Today, while most of the illegals are still coming over here for a better life, there is a growing majority that only want to come over here for handouts and illegal activity and that is what is driving the growing "racism" in South Texas.

So I am about to throw out some racial terms, but I am doing it to make a point..

There are White People and there are "White Trash"
There are Mexican People and there are "Mescans"
There are Black People and there are .....

You get the point.. I believe that most people in MS that still use the N word are using it to describe a culture more so than a color, but it still a term that refers back to the racism of the past that was based purely on the color of the skin.. And I agree with you that in order for this state to move forward we should stop using that term and start focusing on how we can change the culture in the black community.

With that said, the good things about MS (in my opinion) is that it tends to stick to it's traditional values. For example, most people in MS are against Gay marriage. I do not have any issues with Gay people, as I mentioned before. I even have family members that are gay. I do believe it is a sin, but I also believe that a sin is a sin we all have to deal with vices in our life whether it is a gay guys attraction to another guy, or a straight guys lust for another woman, or pornography, or addition to alcohol or drugs.. We all have vices that we have to deal with, and we have to work on and answer to God for and my struggles and sins are no better or worse in the eyes of God than a gay persons sin.

But my opposition to Gay marriage is not based on the person, but on the effects of our society and culture. If we allow Men to marry Men, then how do we not allow a Man to marry two women, or 3 women or 2 Men, or 3 men or a child, or a horse or, etc..... The point is that if you do not keep the sanctity of marriage between 1 man and 1 woman, you begin to go down a slippery slope that will have a negative impact on our society and culture.. Maybe not in our lifetime, but 60, 70, 80 years down the road. In fact the main reason that marriage was created by society was to stabilize it!!!

In my opinion the same goes for Marijuana.. Legalize it and you start down a slippery slope that will not have a good impact on society and culture down the road.

I don't think you are a liberal, but you simply want a "fair" society, and I believe the majority of the country wants that. Some think that by removing limits on marriage or drugs will make society more "fair" they don't see the potential pitfalls this may cause. You say, MS is the fattest, dumbest, most ignorant, racist state in the US and that we are slow to change. There may be some truth to that, but while most of the other, particularly Northern states are pressing hard on the accelerator to change our society into what they think is "Fair". Mississippi and for the most part the South is tapping on the brakes and saying, I am not sure I am ready to drive off that cliff just yet. . So while MS has some issues to work on to repair the negative images of the past, I do believe that most people in this state want a fair and traditional society. Because in the long run, I am not sure a "non traditional" marriage, drug policy or culture is going to be the best road in the long run..

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Re: Mississippi Politics - Discussion

Postby sab316 » Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:54 am

cwink wrote:Just my .02
Very good post and I thank you for the well written thoughtful response and counter points to my topics. Thumbs up!
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Re: Mississippi Politics - Discussion

Postby JDgator » Wed Mar 04, 2015 1:34 pm

Mississippi and Alabama are falling further behind because they aren't innovative. There are very few tech start-ups or successful incubators. The young, creative people leave after graduation. They feel stifled. They move to more liberal places like Boston, Atlanta, Austin or even Memphis.
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Re: Mississippi Politics - Discussion

Postby deltadukman » Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:53 pm

JDgator wrote:Mississippi and Alabama are falling further behind because they aren't innovative. There are very few tech start-ups or successful incubators. The young, creative people leave after graduation. They feel stifled. They move to more liberal places like Boston, Atlanta, Austin or even Memphis.

Good for them. Our problem isn’t liberal or conservative, if that’s the case then the end game is liberalization and that is what the "progressives" have been pushing for. Our problem is the refusal to grow, and people actually pushing for a more active and upbeat environment to live in. Plus we have A LOT more people living off the system than giving into it. That’s a big issue. You have to have money to get things. Those taking the money aren’t giving it back. On the racism thing, it’s hard not to look down on those that won’t help themselves. White or black, but here where I live, I'll let you know who takes the majority spot. And I also believe Al Sharpton, Jessie Jackson, and Obama truly love me and my folks and want us to succeed. Once we can get past the "I’m owed this because of my ancestors" mentality, I'll have a lot different opinion. Gays...who am I to judge. Don’t press your issue on me and we'll let God judge your actions. I have a gay cousin. I would do anything for him and he for me, but he knows where the line is. His sister was also on welfare for a while after leaving a horrible husband with 3 daughters. She and her new husband now own the first chain of Newks restaurants north of Atlanta GA. I say all that to say, welfare is temporary fix, not a permanent solution like many in MS have made it. If you're living off the government, you aren’t contributing to the betterment of the state, and we have a bunch of them. Sorry, call me racist. Mississippi's problem is complacency, and a poor work ethic. And a lot of that can be fixed in our schools. Which the ones with the highest paid and most administration and the most underperforming are wanting more MAEP funding without any contingencies. It’s a vicious cycle. What’s a ninja to do...I guess pass me that joint. 8)
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Re: Mississippi Politics - Discussion

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Re: Mississippi Politics - Discussion

Postby JDgator » Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:51 pm

deltadukman wrote: Good for them. Our problem isn’t liberal or conservative, if that’s the case then the end game is liberalization and that is what the "progressives" have been pushing for. Our problem is the refusal to grow, and people actually pushing for a more active and upbeat environment to live in.
My point is that the young, educated people who want a more "active and upbeat environment" end up leaving. They start businesses in other cities. Which is why Mississippi is last in the nation on job creation. It has fewer jobs now than it had in the year 2000. Mississippi's economy is consolidated in agriculture and manufacturing. Agricultural employment peaked decades ago and manufacturing is going (or gone) to China. Unless it figures out how to join the service economy, it will only get worse.
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Re: Mississippi Politics - Discussion

Postby hillhunter » Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:31 pm

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deltadukman wrote: Good for them. Our problem isn’t liberal or conservative, if that’s the case then the end game is liberalization and that is what the "progressives" have been pushing for. Our problem is the refusal to grow, and people actually pushing for a more active and upbeat environment to live in.
My point is that the young, educated people who want a more "active and upbeat environment" end up leaving. They start businesses in other cities. Which is why Mississippi is last in the nation on job creation. It has fewer jobs now than it had in the year 2000. Mississippi's economy is consolidated in agriculture and manufacturing. Agricultural employment peaked decades ago and manufacturing is going (or gone) to China. Unless it figures out how to join the service economy, it will only get worse.

What is our draw then? How do we get those jobs to stay? Most of your bigger cities have a central location where young people can congregate and hang out, walk from scene to scene. My question is what is the draw to motivate people who aren't from here to be here? It's not the blues, and it dang sure ain't Elvis, so what else do we have?

For families I think there are certain places in the state which would be very attractive. Many places in the state still have excellent schools, thriving churches, and there is a low cost of living here. However for every one of these there are four communities which are dying.

As far as the Marijuana and Gay issue, I think CWink made some very good points, especially on the Gay Marriage issue, there has to be some boundaries to our culture that we just aren't willing to cross. Marijuana, if a guy wants to go out back and smoke a dude, I don't really care either way as long as they aren't out driving.

If we spent as much time on job creation as we did on these two topics, we wouldn't be where we are as a state. We have to get back on track with spending on education, throwing money at a problem never seemed to work in the past.
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