Problems with winchester super X2?

[bigwater]

gulf coast!!! yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, 8 million rounds shot. worst conditions ever. yada yadie yahoo, yahoo, yahoo,

seriously, u've read the arguments on this site before about your beloved gun..

u and i both know the truth....

you'll go to your grave defending your browning gold.. and i'll go to my grave cussing it as the worst gun ever/

i think we have come to the conclusion, that we agree on one thing... we agree that we disagree on the perfomance of the gold...

two more things.. you mention that for the most part anyone who is having prolems with the gold just needs to clean the filthy "beast"..
let me tell u ... and anyone who knows me on this site knows that i'm very limited in my mechanical ability. however i studied the owners manual regiously on the gold...
i will say this about the gold.. i thought it was a very easy gun to breakdown and take apart..
i cleaned that "illegitimate child" after every hunt... and still had prolems..

i got my brother's gold hunter out during the x-mas break. he and i both got our golds back in the mid 90's.. he hasn't shot his gold in something like 3 years... i cleaned it real nice and pretty. broke the gun down as far as the manufauturer tells u to... put that "illegitimate child" back together.. pulled the bolt back.. then pushed the button that allows the bolt to go forward. and this was the sound the bolt made as it went forward.. ssskkkrreeetttcccchhhh, metal on metal. dude that aint no cleanin issue.
that guns f'd up..
i could go on and on . but i ain't changin your mind bout your gold.. as you've told me before your argument is weak amigo...

oh yea you mention that u hunted in s.dak. in single digit temps and didn't have any prolems.. anything specail you did to your gun to prevent that form happening??? i mean i seen several different types of autos freeze up with your hunting in those exterme conditions?? thats not just a "gold" problem..

i need to get off this subject it makes my blood boil. but i'll go toe to toe with u esquire on this one

later
bigw

[GulfCoast]

Where is the shell hanging? They just don't "not chamber." Something has to be physically catching the shell or the bolt carrier. Is the crimp hanging on the detent in the side of the barrel? Has to be some little thing.

[kaustin]

This is why I was asking for negative experiences with this gun. I've seen this subject discussed over and over and it seems you have browning lovers/ beneli haters VS beneli lovers/ browning haters. Both of these guns appear to either be great or suck, no in between. My luck is I would get the suck one. Also a note on cleaning guns; after cleaning all the residue off, make sure you have a light coat of lubrication applied to all working parts. I was over cleaning mine and it started depriving the metal of needed lubrication and I thought the problem was it was sticking from built up oil and dirt. I got a gun smith to show me the correct way to clean it and have not had any problems since. By the way I have a Franchi 3 inch, but am looking for a 3 1/2 gun

[bigwater]

sorry kaustin. this shouldn't be an argument bout this gun versus that gun.. you axed bout the super x 2 and as i said earlier i've never heard people really go off the x 2 ........

don't listen to me anyway I'm a donnnkkkeeyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Doc & Nash]

The Browning gold and the Winchester both have a recoil pin that will snap at the first sign of pressure causing the stock to fall off the gun. It is such a commen problem that most good gunsmith keep them on hand and order them by the doz.

[GulfCoast]

Blah, Blah, Blah......Geez....I only know about 12 guys who hunt with Golds every day, shoot them in tournaments, shoot them for money in the pigeon rings, including one All American who could be on anyone's "Free List."

Why, out of shooting clays all over the east coast for years, hunting in the US and Canada and South America and many points in between, have I yet to meet anyone with a problem with a Gold that my cleaning it did not fix, despite all the hot air that gets blown on this board?

The internet myths about this gun never cease to amaze me.

Especially the one dude who came on here whose handle I forget claiming to be a gunsmith but who would never reply to a PM for his FFL number?

Maybe I have just been hallucinating for all these years?


Big: You either got a lemon, in which case they will replace it, or yer doing something wrong.

Get me the gun and I bet I can get it shooting slick as owl poots.

[Chipper]

Mine shot fine during dove season with 2-3/4" loads but during this duck season is when I have had my problem with 3" and 3-1/2" loads even after changing the action spring.

I like the gun just can't get it to act right.

[GulfCoast]

Did you break the gun in with heavy loads first? Changing the action spring is only necessary if you have rust or gunked on filth that you can't clean off.

What does the gun do SPECIFICALLY that does not "act right?"

[Chipper]

I bought the gun from a friend who used it only for turkey hunting 3-1/2" shells. Gun is 99 model. You can load shells through using the speed loader or dropping them in the action and through a box of 25, 5 or 6 will hang up midway through the actioning in the receiver and you have to push the pin to make it chamber all the way. It will then also when shooting it occasionally eject the 1st shell and stop short of chambering the 2nd shell like I described earlier.

I'm just not one that's going to have a gun that I have trouble with in the field while duck hunting. I'll keep trading or buy a new one until I get one that (automatic) that won't hang up. That's why I have a 870 special purpose super magnum as a backup.

[bigwater]

gc

i don't understand.. i tell u what i don't think people get on her and bash the gold just for the hell of it...

the truth is in the numbers gc.. you remember the ol post from a good while back about the "gold" hunter.. yes there where quite a few people that said they had no prolems with the gun; however, the were just as many that had a distaste for the "gold"... thats not good business right there... i sent my gun back twice to'em they never offerd me a free'un..

how bout this where does the gold rank among msduckers.

i can tell u its down the list a ways.. easily the most popular guns are the rem 870, benelli, then beretta. those are the top guns used the most often by msduckers

as far as gettin u the gun i don't have it anymore.. remember i traded it for a charles daly pump.. if that sentence alone doesn't tell u the level of frustration i had with my gold then your just deaf.. dude!!! i traded a approx $1000.00 gun for a $250.00 gun... yes i'm a donkey but man i hated that gun..

these aren't myths bro................... i done see'd it with my own two eyes.. myths are the elcamino crew and the pit chessie cross and du feedin dux. i know myths. i been in this game since 82 i'm ol skool

[Shoot]

Have had one since 2000.No problem AT ALL. 2 3/4 3" or 3 1/2 stack um in there and it will shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger.Dont even carry the Citori anymore.

[kaustin]

So from what i've read nobody has had trouble with one other than cleaning issues. The main reason I put this post was because of the mixed feelings on the browning and I had been told it was a cousin of that gun. Honestly, I'm between the super X2, SBE 2, and extrema. I'm trying to line the three up to shot before buying because if it don't feel right it does not matter how dependable it is. Thanks for all the input, I enjoy reading oppinions even though they're like azzholes, everyone has one and they all stink but mine.

[quack fiend]

if you wanted to save a little $$$ get a baikal mp-153 synthetic, comes with adjustable gas system, is absolutely reliable with all loads, just put it on the right setting..about $350, but they're going fast--remington bought the importation rights from eaa and will sell them at higher prices

[GordonGekko]

This always gets way out of hand...I've seen with my own two eyes just about every shotgun made "malfunction" at one time or another from $40,000 O/U's to $100 single shots...anything mechanical will eventually break...But the fact is the X2/BGH's are among the most reliable semi-auto's made, in truth I've seen a lot more Benelli's fail than either of the other two...but, none are perfect...it seems to me Browning had a run of "Lemon's" early on (the first three years they made the Gold), and their reputation snowballed from there, but the more recent guns (the ones produced since they started building the SX2) have been very reliable....

Unfortunately if it's mechanical it will break, even the beloved 870 will go down eventually....

kaustin...I've got somewhere in the neighborhood of 15,000 rounds through my SX2...yeah, I've made it jam...but I had no business trying to shoot 7/8 oz target loads in a 3.5" gun.... Other than that no serious issues...take that for what it's worth.

[greenheadman1]

My BGH must be a lemon then, b/c I took it apart and gave it a thourough cleaning before I even considered it to be "broken" and it still does the same thing it did before the cleaning. Despite it letting me down, I still love the gun, and plan on keeping it when I get it back from the factory. One thing though, what is the lightest load any of you BGH 3 1/2 owners have been able to shoot through your gun? The reason I ask is b/c my owners manual says that it will shoot any shell made by a manufacturer that has at least 1 oz. of powder. Even when it was new, mine wouldn't shoot anything less than 1 1/4 oz.