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Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 10:38 am
by Anatidae
Here's something else you might factor into your cost projections.......

Gas in SK right now is averaging $.90/ liter. There are 3.79 liters in a gallon so a gallon of regular gas up there is going to cost $3.41CA/gallon.
Fortunately, the currency exchange rate (.87) is in our favor.

So gas in SK is currently averaging $2.97US/gallon.

Last October, regular gas was $1.09/liter. The exchange rate was the same (.87).....a gallon of regular cost us $3.60US/gallon. At that same time, the cheapest gas in the US, on our way North, was $2.30. So, gas was roughly 1.56 times the price back home.

I hope we don't have another 'Katrina' because that's what spiked the gas prices, last year. In 2004-5, gas prices increased, the farther North we went. Last year, gas prices were cheapest in SD/ND, then jumped once we got into SK. Fortunately, we cut our scouting/hunting mileage in half by renting houses closer to where we found more birds and fewer people.
Cutting 500 miles out of a 5,862 mile trip doesn't seem like much, but that's 30 gallons of fuel (@ $3.60/gal), or $110.

One other thing you might check with your outfitter on. Does he provide his OWN gas for the vehicles HE uses to get his equipment and other people to the hunting spot? What about scouting mileage? And if you upland hunt, they do that from the truck. When you see or flush birds, then you walk them up. You can put as much as 400 miles/day on a vehicle, depending on how far they have to go, to get into birds and away from other hunters.

The reaso I'm telling y'all this is......4 years ago (on my initial trip to SK)......at the end of a guided 5-day hunt, the leader of our group told us he needed another $150 apiece :shock: (or essentially, one-day's guide fee) to cover the extra mileage we ran-up on the guide's vehicle, for the week :shock: ......taking HIS sorry cabboose across 4 RM's to get to a 'chicken' hole. :? I coulda killed the guy....in fact, he and I butted heads the whole time I was up there....nearly ruined my trip cause he was trying to dictate what everyone else did. Heck, we all paid the same amount of money to hunt.......besides that's why we hired the guide. :roll:

It was a dry year that year, and we were driving 60 miles one-way, just to get to an area that had some water.......and birds. So, not only did we pay for the gas in our rental vehicle, but (thanks to Mr 'Foaming at the Mouth to Kill a Chicken') we paid for some of the guide's gas, too. Funny, I never heard anything about dat on the front-end o' this deal.

Just a few things to consider...... all I can say is.......do your homework, guys. Don't hesitate to ask what may seem (to you) to be stupid questions.......and don't settle for an answer you don't understand.

Good luck.......'hope you have a great experience. Money may not be any object to you......if it's not, then disregard this post.

Oh yeah........did you know your credit card company charges a fee for currency conversion on EVERY transaction you make? :shock:

Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:28 pm
by mudsucker
He disregarded it as money is NO object to the great Don Miller!!! :wink:

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:04 pm
by Anatidae
Yeah.....that's what I figured...... :wink: ......'anything to kill a lil' ole duck, huh? :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:27 pm
by Don Miller
Thanks for the help but I have already checked them out and there are no hidden cost such as gas money for the guides and scouts. The only gas money we will need to spend will be from the airport to camp which is about a 2 hour drive and then back. If we decide to fish for pike after limiting out on ducks and geese, we will have to use our rented vehicle to drive about 40 miles to a lake where a boat and motor will be waiting for us. That's about all of the driving we will have to do. Other than a $30 fishing license there is no additional cost for fishing either.

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:25 pm
by Double R 2
Anatidae wrote:Here's something else you might factor into your cost projections.......

Gas in SK right now is averaging $.90/ liter. There are 3.79 liters in a gallon so a gallon of regular gas up there is going to cost $3.41CA/gallon.
Fortunately, the currency exchange rate (.87) is in our favor.

So gas in SK is currently averaging $2.97US/gallon.

Last October, regular gas was $1.09/liter. The exchange rate was the same (.87).....a gallon of regular cost us $3.60US/gallon. At that same time, the cheapest gas in the US, on our way North, was $2.30. So, gas was roughly 1.56 times the price back home.

I hope we don't have another 'Katrina' because that's what spiked the gas prices, last year. In 2004-5, gas prices increased, the farther North we went. Last year, gas prices were cheapest in SD/ND, then jumped once we got into SK. Fortunately, we cut our scouting/hunting mileage in half by renting houses closer to where we found more birds and fewer people.
Cutting 500 miles out of a 5,862 mile trip doesn't seem like much, but that's 30 gallons of fuel (@ $3.60/gal), or $110.

One other thing you might check with your outfitter on. Does he provide his OWN gas for the vehicles HE uses to get his equipment and other people to the hunting spot? What about scouting mileage? And if you upland hunt, they do that from the truck. When you see or flush birds, then you walk them up. You can put as much as 400 miles/day on a vehicle, depending on how far they have to go, to get into birds and away from other hunters.

The reaso I'm telling y'all this is......4 years ago (on my initial trip to SK)......at the end of a guided 5-day hunt, the leader of our group told us he needed another $150 apiece :shock: (or essentially, one-day's guide fee) to cover the extra mileage we ran-up on the guide's vehicle, for the week :shock: ......taking HIS sorry cabboose across 4 RM's to get to a 'chicken' hole. :? I coulda killed the guy....in fact, he and I butted heads the whole time I was up there....nearly ruined my trip cause he was trying to dictate what everyone else did. Heck, we all paid the same amount of money to hunt.......besides that's why we hired the guide. :roll:

It was a dry year that year, and we were driving 60 miles one-way, just to get to an area that had some water.......and birds. So, not only did we pay for the gas in our rental vehicle, but (thanks to Mr 'Foaming at the Mouth to Kill a Chicken') we paid for some of the guide's gas, too. Funny, I never heard anything about dat on the front-end o' this deal.

Just a few things to consider...... all I can say is.......do your homework, guys. Don't hesitate to ask what may seem (to you) to be stupid questions.......and don't settle for an answer you don't understand.

Good luck.......'hope you have a great experience. Money may not be any object to you......if it's not, then disregard this post.

Oh yeah........did you know your credit card company charges a fee for currency conversion on EVERY transaction you make? :shock:


That's pretty rough there, Anat, and exactly a problem with the outfitting industry: Mom and Pop outfitters that think that all there is to running a program is taking teh check and showing the sports a field. See it all the time - they haven't a clue about the business end, about professionalism or neccesarily even hunting. I'd not have paid them a dime more.

outfitters

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 6:17 pm
by JLT
Don't guess he asked, but I wouldn't have paid any more than the advertised cost either. I don't have that luxury in my business.

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2006 8:42 pm
by Anatidae
Double R 2 wrote:
That's pretty rough there, Anat, and exactly a problem with the outfitting industry: Mom and Pop outfitters that think that all there is to running a program is taking teh check and showing the sports a field. See it all the time - they haven't a clue about the business end, about professionalism or neccesarily even hunting. I'd not have paid them a dime more.


I agree......but in this case, I really felt sorry for the guides that had to put-up with this guy. They never asked me for extra money, and I wasn't in the same room with them and 'our leader' when the discussion took place about extra gas money, so I don't know what went 'down'. It's easy enough for folks to say they wouldn't have paid, but I was invited by another guy in the bunch, and I went along with a lot of things I didn't agree with so I wouldn't embarrass my friend. Hey, it wasn't what I really wanted to do, but under the circumstances, I thought it was the right thing to do at the time. If some folks think I made a mistake by paying, then I don't take offense.........just add that to the long list of mistakes I've made in my lifetime.

Back to the story......towards the end of the trip our whole group was thoroughly fed-up with this guy.

It's just really unfortunate he put the rental vehicle in his name..... :lol: .....man, I bet THAT was a hefty bill.........BWAAAAHAHAHahahaha

As far as the guides?......actually, they did a good job and went WAY beyond the call of duty......it was this guy that made it tough on the guide and nearly ruined it for everybody else. Get this!......He was pluggin'-in GPS coordinates everytime we spotted birds on scouting runs........the guide was in the same vehicle. 'Guess he figured there would be birds in the same spots, next year. :roll: I didn't think that was right, so I put him on the spot and asked him (in front of the guide) what he was doing. He calmly said he thought he had learned enough about how to hunt up there, that he was going to be getting a group together and come up there to freelance, someday soon. Man, what NERVE, huh?

Funny thing is.......I road back to the airport with the outfitter and I told him I was embarrased by Mr 'Chicken Slobber'. He assured me that he would not accept a booking from this guy, again. The more we got to know each other, the outfitter told me if I decided to return with my wife to freelance for honkers, he said it wouldn't bother him, that there was plenty of room for everybody. He even said we could stay with him and his wife when they got the addition on their house finished. I assured him I wouldn't interfere with his operation, that if I knew which area he was working, I'd make it a point to work another direction. We ran into his partner on the way back to town after a scouting run 2 years ago. They were watching a field about 40 miles from town.......we were working about 60. The only other time I've run into them in the past 3 years was at the gas pump, or the hotel. He primarily guides for ducks and upland, and knew I was more interested in honkers. So, I guess he felt comfortable with us.

Oh, the other guy (Mr Foaming at the Mouth to Kill a Chicken?).....'hasn't been back to Canada in 2 years. Ha........guess he didn't know so much, after all. Remember what I always say?...."an IDIOT can kill a duck in Canada!" Well this guy is less than an idiot. The next year, the same areas we hunted with the guide were bone dry..........those GPS coords wouldn't have done that jerk a bit o' good. Hehehehehe.....whatta DICK!

I gotta GOOD story about what happened when Mr Chicken decided he wanted to 'call' the shots in the field.......I laugh just thinking about what a DORK this dude was. :roll:

guides

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:25 am
by JLT
Understand your situation Anat. I figured it was something more to the story. It sucks to go on a trip like that and have someone that takes it so seriously that it ruins it for everyone.

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:11 am
by Anatidae
I appreciate that.....

The biggest problem I had with this guy was that he thought he knew more about duck hunting than he did (not that it was a contest) and was so frantic to fill his cooler up with proof (to folks back home), that he IS the 'real deal'........and it just got comical at times, to see this guy get in such a frenzy to get his 'limit'. (Now you can see why we got along so well). I have absolutely NO respect for folks like that.....especially when they try to dictate what everybody else does, too.....it's the highest form of inconsideration and selfishness.......'Me, Me, Me'......makes me wanna PUKE! :oops: :P

We flushed about 30 chickens in this one area, OK? We kick-up a few and eveybody ends-up with one or 2.........except Mr Slobber. The walking distance between chickens gets longer and longer, to where he thinks we've exhausted our chances...........and he wants to go to the 'chicken hole'........45 miles farther away from town. I mean there were chickens where we WERE.......you just had to 'hunt' them.......it was too 'hard' for him. 'Couldn't hit the side of a barn if he was standing inside of it. :roll:

Oh......the last day?......Mr Slobber needed one more chicken to fill his tag and go home with a limit of ducks and upland birds. So he gets the guide to drive his sorry rear-end 60 miles to the 'chicken hole'........for ONE damn chicken! Unbelievable!! Frankly, I don't blame the guide and I'm glad Mr Slobber got stuck with the Lincoln 'Navigator' rental and mileage. :lol:

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:15 am
by RedEyed Duck
That didn't say DORK last night did it? I could be loosing my mind though now that duck season is over and I've already been on my 1 snow goose hunt.......

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:38 am
by Anatidae
I'm the same way......

yeah, I called him a 'dick' in one paragraph.....and a 'dork' in the next. Maybe I should go back and make sure I assign a different 'title' to him in every paragraph......just so I can cover as many terms that could apply. :shock:

You shoulda seen this guy, Kelly.......a chicken would fly across the road in front of the truck......and this guy already had the door open with one foot out, hand on his gun (at 60 MPH), saying......
(Hint: think of Daffy Duck when you read this.... :wink: )

...."sTHOP THE THRUCK!........sTHOP THE THRUCK!.......THERE'S a sTHICKEN BACK THERE!!!......(slobber, slobber)......I GOT THAT LIL' sTHSUCKA MARKEDTH!"

......(slobber runnin' down his chin, foam at the corners of his mouth, sprayin' spit all over the windows and the backs of the poor guys' heads in the front sTHseat). :?


:lol: I'm really surprithed he didn't blow a hole in the floor board.....or rip the headliner outa that Nagravator.....with his gun barrel........trying to get his "foamin'-at-the-mouth" self outa there. :roll:

I wish I had taken a video of this dude, but fortunately, he was in the other vehicle......I stayed as far away form him as I could, cause 1) I didn't want to get between him and a 'sTHICKEN' and 2) it wouldn't have taken much more prompting for me to rip hith head off!

Such a pitiful sTHsight!......grown man actin' like it's his sole resTHsponsibility to rid the universTHse of 'sTHICKENths' and DUCKTHS........by sundown. :roll:

(edited 37 times on Feb 28, 2006)....trying to get the sTHfull esTHffectTH..... :?

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:38 pm
by Anatidae
Come-on guys.........that lasTHst one is a masTHsterpiecTHe......sTHsome of my besTHst work! :shock: :?

'sTHsomebody got a picSTHture of 'Daffy' they can posTHst up here? :roll:

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 5:46 pm
by Greenhead22
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:14 pm
by Anatidae
sTHankths! :lol: :lol: :lol:......MisTHter EsTHteTHs! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:35 pm
by RedEyed Duck
37 edits, now thats gotta be one for the record books! Sorry I didn't respond sooner couldn't get out of doing some work. Sounds like the Dork is my kind of hunting buddy :roll: Might should have given him a shove with gun in hand at 60 MPH, he could have become one with the Chickens! :lol: