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Bufflehead, "Control the actions of others"??? Are you kidding me? Some folks will go to great links to justify there stance on issues. Let me tell you why some of us are opposed to and despise drinking--

Some of us have suffered as a child because of an alcoholic parent (who started drinking in order to be social, he thought he could "handle it")

Some of us have lost friends to drunk drivers

Some of us have sat w/ friends in tears because they could'nt controll their drinking and were embarissing their family; and heard them say "I wished I had never taken that first drink!"

Some of us have sat w/ a wife in tears and heard her say "I can't live w/ him anymore, it started out as a few beers, now it's every night...I'm taking the kids and leaving in the morning"

Some of us know the pain and shame when they overheard people talking and mocking thier drunk father.

Some of us have dealt w/ financial ruin because of alcoholism.

Finaaly, ALL of us know the joys of putting up w/ a drunk at a ballgame, DU event, etc

Nobody I know started out saying "I'm going to ruin my life w/ strong drink!" They all used the same rationale you guys have espoused on this thread.

Furthermore, there is NO GOOD REASON to drink. Some of you guys NEED somebody to control your actions because you ain't doing too good a job!

Now, I'm off to see the Dawgs get the butt whipped by Bummer.

Sounds like denial to me!

Yeah, you've got that right there is some denial on this topic!!

it took me 6 beers and 2 shots of scotch just to read these 6 pages..... haha.......

good views from both sides.......

judge jb


ps. i bet Benny would love to jump in on this topic......

Wingman, WOW You really know how to stir up a hornets nest talking about this subject here.
I too have a problem with your above comments, mainly because God Squaders like yourself like to take your interpretations of the bible and place them on eveyone, which immediately makes you a judge in my morality and spirituality. I'm sure your intepretation of the Bible says the same as mine when it mentions judging other people. So I think you should think about that.
Another thing that bothers me is your overall ignorance of your finances. Lets see if I can make this simple: Ducks = Money (or your livelyhood) DU and Delta = Duck Conservation. So DU and DElta = money for Wingman, OK I thought that made since, so even if you dont agree with the drinkin you sure should agree with the money making. Yes another point, at the banquets Ive been to it was an extra ten dollars to drink. so yes each and every man can make the decision on their own whether to drink or not and each and everyman will have to answer for theirs wrongs on their judgment day, not you or anyone else.
So heres how I see it:
You say: "There is but one rule to measure all morality by; the Bible.

Drinking is wrong, no matter how little or how much."

Sure you can probably quote me the bible coming and going about not drinking, but how do you explain the water into wine at the wedding, I explain it that Jesus was a man like us, and if the banquets raising money for the conservation of his creatures ran out of beer he'd probably get the first 5 gal container of kentwood he could find and turn it into bud light,,....
Yes you'll probably think I'm awful for that statement but then again you wont be there on my judgment day.

One last thing before you start yelling, I am not saying I agree with over- indulging, but there is no way drinkin in moderation is a sin in my faith

Wingman, WOW You really know how to stir up a hornets nest talking about this subject here.
I too have a problem with your above comments, mainly because God Squaders like yourself like to take your interpretations of the bible and place them on eveyone, which immediately makes you a judge in my morality and spirituality. I'm sure your intepretation of the Bible says the same as mine when it mentions judging other people. So I think you should think about that.
Another thing that bothers me is your overall ignorance of your finances. Lets see if I can make this simple: Ducks = Money (or your livelyhood) DU and Delta = Duck Conservation. So DU and DElta = money for Wingman, OK I thought that made since, so even if you dont agree with the drinkin you sure should agree with the money making. Yes another point, at the banquets Ive been to it was an extra ten dollars to drink. so yes each and every man can make the decision on their own whether to drink or not and each and everyman will have to answer for theirs wrongs on their judgment day, not you or anyone else.
So heres how I see it:
You say: "There is but one rule to measure all morality by; the Bible.

Drinking is wrong, no matter how little or how much."

Sure you can probably quote me the bible coming and going about not drinking, but how do you explain the water into wine at the wedding, I explain it that Jesus was a man like us, and if the banquets raising money for the conservation of his creatures ran out of beer he'd probably get the first 5 gal container of kentwood he could find and turn it into bud light,,....
Yes you'll probably think I'm awful for that statement but then again you wont be there on my judgment day.

One last thing before you start yelling, I am not saying I agree with over- indulging, but there is no way drinkin in moderation is a sin in my faith

Wingman, WOW You really know how to stir up a hornets nest talking about this subject here.
I too have a problem with your above comments, mainly because God Squaders like yourself like to take your interpretations of the bible and place them on eveyone, which immediately makes you a judge in my morality and spirituality. I'm sure your intepretation of the Bible says the same as mine when it mentions judging other people. So I think you should think about that.
Another thing that bothers me is your overall ignorance of your finances. Lets see if I can make this simple: Ducks = Money (or your livelyhood) DU and Delta = Duck Conservation. So DU and DElta = money for Wingman, OK I thought that made since, so even if you dont agree with the drinkin you sure should agree with the money making. Yes another point, at the banquets Ive been to it was an extra ten dollars to drink. so yes each and every man can make the decision on their own whether to drink or not and each and everyman will have to answer for theirs wrongs on their judgment day, not you or anyone else.
So heres how I see it:
You say: "There is but one rule to measure all morality by; the Bible.

Drinking is wrong, no matter how little or how much."

Sure you can probably quote me the bible coming and going about not drinking, but how do you explain the water into wine at the wedding, I explain it that Jesus was a man like us, and if the banquets raising money for the conservation of his creatures ran out of beer he'd probably get the first 5 gal container of kentwood he could find and turn it into bud light,,....
Yes you'll probably think I'm awful for that statement but then again you wont be there on my judgment day.

One last thing before you start yelling, I am not saying I agree with over- indulging, but there is no way drinkin in moderation is a sin in my faith

GO24, those are great points to make re reasons not to drink. I am sorry that you experienced such adverse effects of others drinking. However, there are those of us who can consume alcohol in moderation without destroying ourselves and those around us. My beef is with those who want to condemn those of us who drink alcohol using religion as the basis of such judgement ---- there is no support for such in the Bible. To label me, and others, as non-christian because we consume a beer or two every now and then is, in my opinion, not very Christ- like.

Those of you who do not like alcohol, or think it is a sin to take even one drink, then don't drink. That is your choice and your freedom. Just leave my mug of cold Bud Light alone, thank you.

Those of you who think that conservation events should not serve alcohol should put your money or time where your mouth is and start your own non-alcohol chapter of DU, DW, etc. Quit fussing and moaning about your beef with alcohol, get off your moral high horse, and go out and do something positive instead. In the military, when you bitch about something, your superior will usually listen and then put the one doing the bitching in charge of fixing the problem. Nothing worse than a bunch of complainers with no plan of their own to do anything better.

When all is said and done, more will have been said than done.

But, I don't read Greek or Hebrew. I think there is more study to this than meets the eye. I'm not saying that the Bible is wrong, but it has been translated from it's original languages.

If you go back to the Aramaic and Greek, you are gonna have one more TOUGH time arguing that Jesus turned the water into "grape juice" or any of the references are to other than fermented grape juice. Take it from a former seminary student. Or, don't, and hit the Greek lexicon and see for yourself. I have a couple I can loan you.

When Jesus made the point about not putting new wine into old wineskins, everyone who heard it at the time understood the violent fermentation process would cause an old, unpliable wineskin to rupture. You can stick "grape juice" into any old skin. Consult any decent commentary on the point.

And, we all REALLY need to be careful saying "I will accept the literal English translation of the Aramaic or Greek on this point, but not on this other one because it does not fit my personal theology. After all, it has been translated from a couple of old languages into english, you know" With this selective reasoning, you can justify anything. Taken to the extreme, which I admit no one here is doing, this was what Hitler and Charles Manson tried to do to justify thier actions. That just scares the dickens out of me.

No one pipe up to me about alcoholism, please. It runs deep in both my biological and adopted family, and I have dealt with alcoholics my entire life. Their shortcomings and problems and lack of restraint should not control MY behavior. Overuse of a permissible thing like alcohol is no different than overuse of sex, eating, spending money, tobacco, you name it. Alcohol is just an easy target in our world of "It ain't my fault, I'm an addict."

I admire the conviction of those who do not chose to drink. I really do. Thats fine with me. You don't wanna drink, don't drink. If you think your drinking is a stumbling block, don't drink. More power to you. Just don't judge others who do drink wine in moderation as did Jesus, the Apostles, Timothy.......

HERE HERE ROB(CLAPPING)!!!!!!!!


I agree with you as well as most of the ones AGAINST drinking,as a recovering acholic that has recieved the GRACE AND SALVATION OF MY LORD AND MYSAVUR (the way it is spelled on my vanity plate on my truck ) i have been clean for 2 years now

look at the bright side of it, you can expext it there because those are events that are part of the WORLD I have never been to a DU event however I have a thought, they will even pray at this event.

There is a local church about 5 miles from my house that have some kind of fish fest or something every year and park a bud light truck right between the fellowship hall and the sanctuary because they dont have enough cold storage for that much beer they are gonna serve ...so what does that portray for the TRUE CHRISTIANS a bad image

You've all waxed elequent, but nobody has given a good reason to consume(other than,"I'm a grown man and I will if I want to"). I ain't on a high horse, I am on the high road. It's better to be safe than sorry. There ain't nothing you can say to change my mind. May yours be changed before tragedy comes. "That's all I got to say about that". Let's get ready for a great season this year .

i went to the du banquent here in scott county last year, it is being help this thursday night, and i will not be attending because of the drinking!


proverbs 20: wine is a mocker, beer is brawler who ever is led astray by them shall not be WISE!


NO YOU ARE NOT STUPID WINGMAN

Yes you'll probably think I'm awful for that statement but then again you wont be there on my judgment day

We'll all be there together, chief. Terrible day for some, jubilant day for others.

Look, I just want to apologize again for coming across hateful or better than anyone. I said what I believed, but I said it in the wrong way. I can't make you change your minds about something you believe in either. I just think there are better ways to raise money and enjoy yourselves.

I think a dry banquet would work. Anybody willing to give it a go? PM me.

Wingman

I am gonna post on this one more time and leave it alone. I just want to know "Few drinks to loosen their wallets." It helps them spend money they wouldn't spend if they were sober. Is this not coming uder the control of the wine and not the spirit for those that are christians. I don't have a problem with people drinking in moderation. I really don't have a problem with anybody. Jesus said love all.

the defendant approached the bench and replied " i don't have a drinking problem------ i have a stopping problem"..
i was appointed as a special judge a couple of years back in an ajoining county to hear 3 DUI's that were issued to DU members leaving a banquet.....
all three were elected officials of the county..... talk about high profile cases....

judge jb