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Hello so I've been training with my pup for a while now and he's doing great... But some times he will drop the bumper short of me. So I've been doing some reading of force fetching with your dog. I was wondering if people had some "+" about it and some "-" about force fetching a dog. Also any good tips on how to do with your dog if I choose to do it. Thanks

Call Bart Posey in Carriere. (601) 798-3073

Skippy J would be my choice ....... he trained a GATOR

If there is a negative to a properly force-fetched dog, I don't know what it might be.

GulfCoast wrote:If there is a negative to a properly force-fetched dog, I don't know what it might be.

properly is the keyword

So many people think force fetching is tough on a dog, and it is in fact just the opposite if it is done PROPERLY

For what it is worth (which isn't much), I will not own/hunt/train another dog that is not force fetched!
FF is a STEP in the training process. Without it, other steps can not be achieved

Also join a local club. You 2 clubs close by, South Mississippi Ret club and Pontchartrain HRC. So Miss is closer to you that Pontchartrain. Bart Posey would be great for you if you can afford to have the dog FF. If not you can get a lot of advice from the clubs. Always an old timer there to help. Alan Sandifer that is also with that club and I know ALan will help, right Alan?
I live Slidell so not too far from you, pm me if you need help, we are members of both of these clubs.

music_man wrote:

GulfCoast wrote:If there is a negative to a properly force-fetched dog, I don't know what it might be.

FF is a STEP in the training process. Without it, other steps can not be achieved

Totally false statement. Many dogs are fully trained without force fetch. but, it does make it easier.

99beers wrote:

music_man wrote:

GulfCoast wrote:If there is a negative to a properly force-fetched dog, I don't know what it might be.

FF is a STEP in the training process. Without it, other steps can not be achieved

Totally false statement. Many dogs are fully trained without force fetch. but, it does make it easier.

Ok, I guess I should say FF is a step in some training processes.

But, I still see nothing but positives from proper FF. I can only see negatives from not doing FF.

music_man wrote:Ok, I guess I should say FF is a step in some training processes.

But, I still see nothing but positives from proper FF. I can only see negatives from not doing FF.

You have nothing to apologize for, and your statement is not totally false, but rather only incomplete. There have always been programs that did not include force fetch. Nothing new about that. The more efficient and effective programs of today are Carr-based methods, and FF is central to that sequential methodology.

Force fetch is not the overwhelming of dogs, as is sometimes presumed. It's step by step course in pressure conditioning, and its benefits are lasting over a dog's working career.



Step by step. Take your time, and get it done.

EvanG

Copiah Creek wrote:Skippy J would be my choice ....... he trained a GATOR

Ha ha BUT YOUR the one that had the stitches from FF!!!

I just caught hell from the left overs!!

EvanG wrote:

music_man wrote:Ok, I guess I should say FF is a step in some training processes.

But, I still see nothing but positives from proper FF. I can only see negatives from not doing FF.

You have nothing to apologize for, and your statement is not totally false, but rather only incomplete. There have always been programs that did not include force fetch. Nothing new about that. The more efficient and effective programs of today are Carr-based methods, and FF is central to that sequential methodology.

Force fetch is not the overwhelming of dogs, as is sometimes presumed. It's step by step course in pressure conditioning, and its benefits are lasting over a dog's working career.



Step by step. Take your time, and get it done.

EvanG

spam spam spam.................

spams every site on the net...........never stops.............

ask your local pro what they think about evan and his system...........not so much his system as he copied Rex Carr all but !00%, but he will let you believe he is the king of training........

Stawlski's stuff is much better.........

Jealous much? Evan has a great Carr based training program. It is especially great for beginners.

99beers wrote:

EvanG wrote:

music_man wrote:Ok, I guess I should say FF is a step in some training processes.

But, I still see nothing but positives from proper FF. I can only see negatives from not doing FF.

You have nothing to apologize for, and your statement is not totally false, but rather only incomplete. There have always been programs that did not include force fetch. Nothing new about that. The more efficient and effective programs of today are Carr-based methods, and FF is central to that sequential methodology.

Force fetch is not the overwhelming of dogs, as is sometimes presumed. It's step by step course in pressure conditioning, and its benefits are lasting over a dog's working career.



Step by step. Take your time, and get it done.

EvanG

spam spam spam.................

spams every site on the net...........never stops.............

ask your local pro what they think about evan and his system...........not so much his system as he copied Rex Carr all but !00%, but he will let you believe he is the king of training........

Stawlski's stuff is much better.........

99beers wrote:

EvanG wrote:

music_man wrote:Ok, I guess I should say FF is a step in some training processes.

But, I still see nothing but positives from proper FF. I can only see negatives from not doing FF.

You have nothing to apologize for, and your statement is not totally false, but rather only incomplete. There have always been programs that did not include force fetch. Nothing new about that. The more efficient and effective programs of today are Carr-based methods, and FF is central to that sequential methodology.

Force fetch is not the overwhelming of dogs, as is sometimes presumed. It's step by step course in pressure conditioning, and its benefits are lasting over a dog's working career.



Step by step. Take your time, and get it done.

EvanG

spam spam spam.................

spams every site on the net...........never stops.............

ask your local pro what they think about evan and his system...........not so much his system as he copied Rex Carr all but !00%, but he will let you believe he is the king of training........

Stawlski's stuff is much better.........

Aint nobody got time for this stuff...if you got a boner for evan take that behind closed doors! Hasn't been any training discussion on this board in forever, finally get some training discussion going and this $#!+ starts?? If you like Rick's stuff better that's all you had to say!

To the OP: I have a dog that is force fetched and I have one that is not. I WILL NEVER have another dog that is not force fetched. Yes, you can get a desired result out of a dog that is not force fetched but it makes it so much easier/fun if you have that tool in your bag.

Scenerio: hunting in blind with dog boxes on ends. Dogs come up dog ramp to get in dog box. You reach thru a 12"x12" hole to get ducks from dog. If your dog doesn't come back up the ramp with the duck, then what tool do you have to get the duck? Speaking from personal experience in that situation...its a sucky one to be in.

Do it right or get help but force fetch the dog.

KarenKlotthor wrote:Also join a local club. You 2 clubs close by, South Mississippi Ret club and Pontchartrain HRC. So Miss is closer to you that Pontchartrain. Bart Posey would be great for you if you can afford to have the dog FF. If not you can get a lot of advice from the clubs. Always an old timer there to help. Alan Sandifer that is also with that club and I know ALan will help, right Alan?
I live Slidell so not too far from you, pm me if you need help, we are members of both of these clubs.

Yes Karen ...... you know i will help anyone who ask But i may need permission from 99beers

Copiah Creek wrote:

KarenKlotthor wrote:Also join a local club. You 2 clubs close by, South Mississippi Ret club and Pontchartrain HRC. So Miss is closer to you that Pontchartrain. Bart Posey would be great for you if you can afford to have the dog FF. If not you can get a lot of advice from the clubs. Always an old timer there to help. Alan Sandifer that is also with that club and I know ALan will help, right Alan?
I live Slidell so not too far from you, pm me if you need help, we are members of both of these clubs.

Yes Karen ...... you know i will help anyone who ask But i may need permission from 99beers

careful.......