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My 16 year old asked me while taking her somewhere today what the whole Pearl Harbor thing was about. I thought she was messing with me and asked what they learned during American History when she was in junior high. She said they learned about "progressive vs. conservative" and the whole civil rights deal. I explained what I could during the limited time I had her in the truck. If she's telling me the truth then it's a really sad example of where this country is going. I'm still not completely sure she's not messing with me.

This will only get worse with common core. They are making math so complicated now kids will not be able to figure out how bad the goverment is screwing them when they start paying taxes.

There was a big write up in our paper about a student in our state boycotting the common core standardized curriculum and tests etc...and was suspended for some bs made up reason

I had a lengthy discussion about No Child Left Behind and Common Core yesterday afternoon with someone in the know on these topics. It just sounds hopeless for these kids and in turn the future of this country. I can't decide whose fault it is...parents or federal govt. I'm going with 100% blame on both.

My daughter is 12 and will be going into 7th grade next year and does not know how to write in cursive. Apparently they don't teach that anymore since everything is online. That just blew my mind these kids won't even know how to sign their names.

mshunter77 wrote:My daughter is 12 and will be going into 7th grade next year and does not know how to write in cursive. Apparently they don't teach that anymore since everything is online. That just blew my mind these kids won't even know how to sign their names.

i got one better on the attitude of the school leaders, I had a family member telling me of a discussion with the school. It was from last year on one of the state test. Long story short is was a spelling test that counted for about 25% of the grade, they had a substitute teacher give the test, but botched the instructions on it. When they went to talk about retaking it to the principle, she would not allow it. Then came up with some BS about how we now have spell check, and that spelling is not that important. You can just use the computer to write emails, etc...

On the plus side, My son surprised me this past mothers day by signing his name in cursive on the card. He usually just write TY, but his fulll name is tyler and he is in the 2nd grade.

My wife is a teacher and I hear it everyday how hard it is for them to do a good job..I know there are good and bad teachers, but I really think their hands are tied by the administration and they are caught in the middle.. Parent's can't believe that their kids aren't learning certain things like cursive writing and complain about it, and the administration only cares about teaching for the tests.. Teachers get stuck in the middle.

Northbigmuddy wrote:I had a lengthy discussion about No Child Left Behind and Common Core yesterday afternoon with someone in the know on these topics. It just sounds hopeless for these kids and in turn the future of this country. I can't decide whose fault it is...parents or federal govt. I'm going with 100% blame on both.

There is no way you can blame the parents about CC. They had no say, vote or discussions about it. It was slammed down our throat and our politicians threw the kids under the bus, including our own Phil Braynt. A couple states are seeing the light and are pulling out.

I hate cc. Nothing good to say about it. I have a four degree basically a math degree and I can not for the life of me figure it out to help my daughter in the fifth grade. Several arguments between me and her and the only way I was able to prove something is we did a simple 3 digit multiplication problem started at same time and the old way took a quarter of the time. She was lost with my way I was lost with her way and the calculator proved the answer


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peewee wrote:

Northbigmuddy wrote:I had a lengthy discussion about No Child Left Behind and Common Core yesterday afternoon with someone in the know on these topics. It just sounds hopeless for these kids and in turn the future of this country. I can't decide whose fault it is...parents or federal govt. I'm going with 100% blame on both.

There is no way you can blame the parents about CC. They had no say, vote or discussions about it. It was slammed down our throat and our politicians threw the kids under the bus, including our own Phil Braynt. A couple states are seeing the light and are pulling out.

Your reading into my brief comment too much. The whose fault comment was direct at the general state of decay that has been referenced here and publicly about the education being provided by taxpayer dollars. I am not saying its your fault, I'm sure you are an attentive and active parent. The problem is many parents today do not actively participate and guide their children to be productive members of society. That must be recognized as part of the problem "No wonder the US is in trouble".

You guys know me well enough by now to know I ain't scared of controversy, sooooooo...Based on your own reading and study of Common Core, and not from some politician telling you what Common Core is, what is your specific objection to it?

crow wrote:You guys know me well enough by now to know I ain't scared of controversy, sooooooo...Based on your own reading and study of Common Core, and not from some politician telling you what Common Core is, what is your specific objection to it?

On my phone and I don't have all day to type but basic math is now gone. Pee-schoolers now decompose. A 6 year old shouldn't have to read two paragraphs full of numbers and BS to figure out 5-3. That's just a start. 3 hours of homework a night. State of MS implementing the program but provided no funding to train teachers. Our teachers are being pulled from different directions with little to no direction.

Talked to my wife (who is a teacher) the other night about cc. She likes it and says that there is too much politicizing of it. For example we talked about a math problem.

32
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We all know the answer is 20. In the past we learned to substract 2 from 2 to get 0, then 1 from 3 to get two. Also we learned borrow and carry numbers in additions and subtraction. CC teaches kids to take 10 away from 32 to get 22, then take another 2 away from 22 to get to 20. A leads to B, B leads to C. Most of us would do this method in our head, so she said CC is trying to teach the way we as adults really process numbers instead of teach the old steps.

I said that works great, except when you have large numbers like 7,872 - 1,921. They will need to know the steps to complete that problem. She said, true with the way technology is expanding that calculators are there for that.. I see both sides of the issue.

I don't have a kid in school yet but I don't see why they need to change the way to learn how to do math.....was the old way not good enough? We all learned it that way adn all the Dr. and Engineers and foresters and everybody that has preceeded us learned it the way we did..was that not good enough. And the way I learned it I don't need a calculator to do the large numbers like CWink said.. Do I use a calculator, of course, but only after I learned how to do it without one....thats kinda along the same lines of thinking that we don't need to teach spelling cause we have spell check... or the cursive thing cause we type most all the time now....well if you can't read cursive you can't read the Declaration of Independence or Bill of Rights etc... Another issue I would have as a parent is the fact that they decided what was going to be taught to your child wihtout your input at all..you have to send your child to school yet you have no involvement in what they teach your kid while they are there.

And in 30 years, these will be the leaders of our country!