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How many times did we hear that Republicans will never win another election unless they go forward with immigration reform?

How many times did left wing politicians, reporters, pundits, and consultants get in the face of conservatives and shout that?

Heck, how many times did moderate republicans say that?

And lets look again at the election results.

I think our elected officials have a very clear mandate: stop amnesty at all costs.

Do you make a habit of taking advice from your enemies? In this case, conservatives have enemies in their own party

Not sure what immigration reform laws will change since we don't hold to the laws as they exist currently.

I think the "GOP Can't Win" talk is directed more towards presidential elections. We have seen the last two election cycles that the electoral college leans heavily towards the democrats now. Just by winning California, Illinois and New York, the democrats have 40% of the electoral votes needed to secure the presidency. (hence the reason why Obama is so bent on amnesty - they know if they flip Texas, it is game, set, match for the GOP in presidential elections).

Deltamud77 wrote:I think the "GOP Can't Win" talk is directed more towards presidential elections. We have seen the last two election cycles that the electoral college leans heavily towards the democrats now. Just by winning California, Illinois and New York, the democrats have 40% of the electoral votes needed to secure the presidency. (hence the reason why Obama is so bent on amnesty - they know if they flip Texas, it is game, set, match for the GOP in presidential elections).

I don't entirely agree with you on this. Sure, NY CA, and IL are all lost causes. However, those states are losing population at an alarming rate. Whereas states like TX, OH, and FL are gaining in population AND becoming more conservative. It is making for some entertaining TV to say the least.

Fl and OH have been blue the last two elections...decidedly so. How are they becoming more conservative?

There is a difference between voter turnout and party affiliation. Florida is a mostly a red state. I think alot of likely republican voters stayed home because neither candidate was conservative enough. Anyway, I'd rather have a weak democratic president in office and republican control of congress than the other way around.

JDgator wrote:There is a difference between voter turnout and party affiliation. Florida is a mostly a red state. I think alot of likely republican voters stayed home because neither candidate was conservative enough. Anyway, I'd rather have a weak democratic president in office and republican control of congress than the other way around.

There is certainly truth in what you are saying. However, South Florida is very blue...the further south you go, the bluer it gets. The Miami metro area, including West Palm and all of Broward and Dade Counties is extremely populated and extremely blue. Those two counties cancel out a lot of Panhandle votes by themselves. Moreover, many liberals leaving the traditionally blue states up north have moved to Florida. While I don't think it impossible for a GOP candidate to win Florida, it is nearly impossible IMO now. The same can be said in Ohio and Virginia. It is not an impossible feat to win those states by the GOP, but it is becoming increasingly unlikely.

That said, there are some Midwestern blue states like Wisconsin and Minnesota that are trending to the right. In Wisconsin, the people have elected, re-call elected and elected again Scott Walker - a GOP governor that took on the unions and won. The GOP needs someone similar to him in other heavy unionized states like Ohio to pull them back to the right.

It really is interesting what is going on in the country. I think these midterms have shown that the country has not shifted as far to the left as may have been believed when they re-elected Obama in 2012. That is a good sign. I am fine from here on out have a strong GOP congress and a democrat in the WH. I can live with that outcome for a while.

Deltamud77 wrote:

JDgator wrote:There is a difference between voter turnout and party affiliation. Florida is a mostly a red state. I think alot of likely republican voters stayed home because neither candidate was conservative enough. Anyway, I'd rather have a weak democratic president in office and republican control of congress than the other way around.

There is certainly truth in what you are saying. However, South Florida is very blue...the further south you go, the bluer it gets. The Miami metro area, including West Palm and all of Broward and Dade Counties is extremely populated and extremely blue. Those two counties cancel out a lot of Panhandle votes by themselves. Moreover, many liberals leaving the traditionally blue states up north have moved to Florida. While I don't think it impossible for a GOP candidate to win Florida, it is nearly impossible IMO now. The same can be said in Ohio and Virginia. It is not an impossible feat to win those states by the GOP, but it is becoming increasingly unlikely.

That said, there are some Midwestern blue states like Wisconsin and Minnesota that are trending to the right. In Wisconsin, the people have elected, re-call elected and elected again Scott Walker - a GOP governor that took on the unions and won. The GOP needs someone similar to him in other heavy unionized states like Ohio to pull them back to the right.

It really is interesting what is going on in the country. I think these midterms have shown that the country has not shifted as far to the left as may have been believed when they re-elected Obama in 2012. That is a good sign. I am fine from here on out have a strong GOP congress and a democrat in the WH. I can live with that outcome for a while.

Didn't Florida and Illinois both just elect Republican Governors?

fireplug wrote:

Deltamud77 wrote:

JDgator wrote:There is a difference between voter turnout and party affiliation. Florida is a mostly a red state. I think alot of likely republican voters stayed home because neither candidate was conservative enough. Anyway, I'd rather have a weak democratic president in office and republican control of congress than the other way around.

There is certainly truth in what you are saying. However, South Florida is very blue...the further south you go, the bluer it gets. The Miami metro area, including West Palm and all of Broward and Dade Counties is extremely populated and extremely blue. Those two counties cancel out a lot of Panhandle votes by themselves. Moreover, many liberals leaving the traditionally blue states up north have moved to Florida. While I don't think it impossible for a GOP candidate to win Florida, it is nearly impossible IMO now. The same can be said in Ohio and Virginia. It is not an impossible feat to win those states by the GOP, but it is becoming increasingly unlikely.

That said, there are some Midwestern blue states like Wisconsin and Minnesota that are trending to the right. In Wisconsin, the people have elected, re-call elected and elected again Scott Walker - a GOP governor that took on the unions and won. The GOP needs someone similar to him in other heavy unionized states like Ohio to pull them back to the right.

It really is interesting what is going on in the country. I think these midterms have shown that the country has not shifted as far to the left as may have been believed when they re-elected Obama in 2012. That is a good sign. I am fine from here on out have a strong GOP congress and a democrat in the WH. I can live with that outcome for a while.

Didn't Florida and Illinois both just elect Republican Governors?

Yes - liberal leaning gop governors in a midterm.