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Said son murders 9 people in cold blood (in a Church).
How soon before new gun law is written & signed by "O"?

discuss...........

Father will likely end up in Jail.. While it is legal to give a gun to someone, you can not do it if you know they would have been barred from owning it..

Gun owners jump up and down and scream "Don't touch my guns" Yet some gun owners continue to do stupid things like this.. If this father knew his son was on drugs then he should not have given him a handgun.. Same issue with Sandy Hook.. The mother knew her son was mentally unstable yet still he was able to get his hands on her guns..

If you go down the list of mass shootings, most of the time the gun is not legal obtained or owned by the shooter.. It is likely something that was bought off the street, was given to them or many times it was a youth that got their hands on family members guns.. The only mass shooting that I know were by the person that legally got the gun were Aurora CO, The Navel Shipyard, FT Hood and Virginia Tech.. There may be others but those are off the top of my head.

Politicians want more gun laws, gun owners want less gun laws, I want smarter, more responsible gun owners..

I know it's blasphemy to dare suggest any incremental change that might be considered "gun control", but the way Canada currently has their laws for gun ownership is the most logical for an open minded conversation. To own, buy, or have a gun in your possession, you must have what is called a PAL. Possession, Acquisition License. In other words, no matter how you acquired the gun, if you have it in you possession, you have to have a license. No different than a carry permit and requires you to attend a similar course. If you are caught with a gun and you don't have a permit, you are breaking the law. No different than a person is required to have a drivers license to operate a car.

I know folks are up in arms at the THOUGHT that the government knowing you own a gun, but if you have a carry permit, they already know. No guns are registered in Canada (there was a brief period where that was the case, but it ended a while ago when they realized it changed nothing, and cost the country billions). But think of how many folks who are convicted of a felony, or have a legal restriction put on them to no longer own a gun, that still have them could be prevented. Think of these crazy assholes mentioned above that would not be allowed to possess a gun any longer. Kid has mental issues and can't get a permit. Dad can't give him a gun because the kid doesn't have a permit to own a gun. It stops situations like this. Sure it's not perfect, and real criminals will still get guns illegally, and own them illegally, but there are 2 major mass shooting that could have been prevented by this. This recent one, and Sandy Hook.

If the second amendment talked about the right to drive cars, I'd oppose drivers' licenses, too. Would-be mass-murderers will be thwarted by a permit? Not a chance.

Felons who want guns get them today.

I'd feel safer if lots more folks had guns, not fewer. I guarantee you the drunk thug that nearly pissed on me at the gas station while laughing at "the f'ng cracker" on the other side of the pump (in broad daylight) would've thought twice if he thought it likely I was packing.

Felons get guns if they want guns. I know this for a fact.

A piece of paper or a sign won't stop a crazy person bent on killing folks. If he didn't have a gun he would have used something else.
This kid for whatever reason hated blacks. Was his hatred from years being picked on?
Or was he just unstable from RX pills or dope. Whatever it was he is full of it.
He clearly didn't have god in his life.

On another note. I have a 17 year old. This has done nothing but put a even bigger target on young white males.
Talk to your sons guys.

And our churches!

teul2 wrote:Felons get guns if they want guns. I know this for a fact.

And when they get caught, they get off. I know this for a fact.

Look at he big cities with the highest shooting related problems?? Chicago for instance. Do you think they all pass a background check????? Criminals and felons get guns easier than the ones trying to legally obtain them. Like drugs, if you want it you can get it. No law is going to work as long as guns are sold and they remain in circulation. They may make it harder for individual sales of firearms but they can't stop people from stealing so therefore the criminals will always have acsess to guns.

fox news reported this morning that son purchased gun with 21st birthday money.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/06/19/su ... iends-say/


Such a tragedy.

IF the US is the only place in the world these mass killings happen(according to bath house),, then I wonder what you call what these moozlems have done in several other countries by the thousands..

And I wonder how many were killed with US supplied weapons..

Guns don't kill people,, people kill people.

stang67 wrote:If the second amendment talked about the right to drive cars, I'd oppose drivers' licenses, too. Would-be mass-murderers will be thwarted by a permit? Not a chance.

Felons who want guns get them today.

I'd feel safer if lots more folks had guns, not fewer. I guarantee you the drunk thug that nearly pissed on me at the gas station while laughing at "the f'ng cracker" on the other side of the pump (in broad daylight) would've thought twice if he thought it likely I was packing.

Should someone have to be in fear their entire life that if they 'piss' off someone, they'll be shot? I don't know if that's a valid argument.

We require kids take hunter's safety courses, and that's not in the second amendment. Having everyone attend a firearms safety course, and possess a permit to own a firearm does not infringe upon them owning a gun. It simply would show they have basic firearms safety knowledge, and are legally allowed to own a firearm under the same laws have today that prevent crazy people and felons from possessing a gun. If a cop sees a guy has a gun, and at that time is doing nothing wrong, he can't file a back ground check to make sure he isn't a felon or have a psychological condition prohibiting them from possessing a gun.

One of the most gun restrictive cities in America, Chicago, had 8 shootings the first day of June. My source is the Chicago Tribune and I've pasted the link. I haven't even counted how many have happened this month alone. So what does that say about gun laws and politicians? Why it guns control only spoke of when something like this happens. What about Obama linking civil rights to gun control. There are more questions than answers.

I do know one thing. People who are following the laws that are on the books now are not the problem. Maybe one of the instructors can answer this but how many shootings have happened in Mississippi where the shooter had a concealed carry permit? I've never heard of one. I do know that our constitution says gun ownership is a right. Since the constitution doesn't say anything about cars the Government considers that a privilege. It is much easier for the Government to regulate something that is a privilege than a right so as soon as we start eroding the definition everything goes to Hell in hand basket.

http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings

duramax wrote:Having everyone attend a firearms safety course, and possess a permit to own a firearm does not infringe upon them owning a gun.

Respectfully, yes, it does, as do already instituted measures like CCW permits, background checks, and tax stamps. It's funny that people don't include currently active statutes as infringements on our 2nd Amendment right, and it's downright scary to me to hear gun owners rationalize "just a little step further." A few little steps equal big steps.

stang67 wrote:

duramax wrote:Having everyone attend a firearms safety course, and possess a permit to own a firearm does not infringe upon them owning a gun.

Respectfully, yes, it does, as do already instituted measures like CCW permits, background checks, and tax stamps. It's funny that people don't include currently active statutes as infringements on our 2nd Amendment right, and it's downright scary to me to hear gun owners rationalize "just a little step further." A few little steps equal big steps.

You can argue that to be true. My point is if law abiding citizens have a permit that shows they can legally possess a gun, the easier it will be to catch folks who are possessing guns illegally. You can say it's a small step that leads to harsher gun control, but I argue it's a positive step to eliminate SOME (by no stretch most) illegal gun ownership. You see all these wanna be gangsters posting pics on FB holding pistols and showing off. If they aren't law abiding owners, then bust their ass.