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What can I do to top her from running freely if I dont have her on a leash?

TRITRONICS!!!!!!

SO, you gonna burn a dog for something that it don't look like the dog knows??????? don't sound very fair does it????

how bout teaching thru a solid OB and creating a foundation for further corrections.....building on a solid OB foundation w/ that collar, teaching a HOW to avoid the pressure by doing right and what to do if the pressure is applied....

ANYONE that just straps a collar on a dog and burns for unwanted behavior, w/out teaching the correct behavior first sux and deserves the scared pathetic dog they get....gator

Teach heel and enforce compliance always. Anytime out of the kennel walk at heel unless released to air or sent on a retrieve. If the dog won't stay at heel off lead then work on it more on lead. The collar is really no benefit for simple OB at your side like you are describing. It is an instrument of force just like the choke chain or heeling stick which you need to get compliance to first before ever considering the collar.

D1, i didn't mean to fly off - welp, yeah i did, but that's another thread.

fact is, if a dog is running off lead and not at heel when commanded, he may have "been thru the steps" but OB is not established....OB means the dog is "obedient"...

my point was, you should NOT correct w/ a collar for something the dog doesn't know, ESP when a dog doesn't know what the collar is...a heeling stick, choke/pinch collar, etc are intiment; i.e. the dog knows where it comes from - you...the collar is an extention of all that's been taught by the stick/choke/pinch etc and IMHO should be used as such. you snap one on, dog misbehaves, and zap w/out teaching (thru steps) how to deal w/ that zap - welp, you're not teaching. in fact, you're prolly gonna create more problems....insert "bolting" here

you mentioned a chicken story (quite humorous by the way). welp, let's take that humor out of it and put it into a different context. say, rover get's off heel, owner gets pizzed and reaches for the level 6 on the TT. owner yell's NO, HERE, starts to the dog and burns that mofo to the ground. i dunno bout anyone else, but i could see where this dog might not wanna come back to the owner - EVER.

or, what about a duck circling, shots, duck falls, dog breaks and same deal - NO, HERE, wam........on a dog that don't know any better. wouldn't be too hard to see how the dog might confuse that "stinging" on the neck as correction for the retrieve itself, huh?

not trying to be a dik or nothing to no one, but a dude that post on the net that his dog is breaking when he's off lead has NOT taken a dog thru OB or the lessons didn't take at least, and the LAST thing he needs to hear is TRITRONICS......IMHO, anyway...gator

keep a lead on it and inforce the heel command. or teach heel and inforce with a nick or the e-collar. these guy's have some great info. i've got the same problem but it's only on the way back to the truck. got me a 25ft. rope and snatched the pi$$ out of him. look's like it got his attantion. been going over OB for the last week and ain't hunting him. seem's to be sinking in fast.

missed mallards wrote:keep a lead on it and inforce the heel command. or teach heel and inforce with a nick or the e-collar.

is what I was thinking without getting ALL the facts!!!!!! ...... I am by no means a pro at this dog training stuff........in fact prolly wouldnt be considered a ameture .....but I know when my dog was haveing a problem with OB, thats how "I" corrected it......not saying this is the correct way to handel ALL problems that arise in dog training


And for the record:YES I HAVE USED TT OM MYSELF FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF FINDING OUT WHAT THE DOG IS GOING THRU BEFORE USING IT ON THEM.........kinda like a K-9 officer has to have a dog attack him before he can be allowed to handle a dog

well, that's great D1...i think you're makin some comments directed towards me, but hopefully you'll understand how i didn't quite get the terms "enforce known commands" and "teach" outta the initial TRITRONICS post...

just saying.... gator

I don't think the collar is the answer in this case. Others may feel differently. This is a simple obedience problem. For a simple obedience problem the collar is no more effective than a choke chain,sliplead,stick or whatever. I would not go to the trouble of collar conditioning for fixing a problem that will be fixed just as easily with a formal OB program

The issue is heel. Get him doing heel well with the lead. He should turn right,left and go backwards. The lead should be slack. If he pulls ahead on the lead snap it and change direction. Once your good on heel on lead drop the lead and let him drag it. He still knows the lead is there and if he pulls ahead of you then you can step on the lead to stop him and correct him with no heel and pop across forelegs with the stick or just pick up the lead and snap back. Also if he pulls ahead I back up so when he looks as I say NO HEEL he sees that he's way ahead and its black and white for him.

It may be time to get a little tougher on the OB. He's probably running free because he's gotten away with it before. You have to ALWAYS have the same standard. Don't wack him one day and then the next let him run around playing with other dogs. A dog that goes ahead of you when you say heel thinks he's the boss. He should always go second and you go first including through doorways and stairs. His tail should be half mast and not sticking up. He should be frequently looking over at your leg to see that he's in the right place. Good luck, heel takes time.

Bill

see there, now this post has some credo....i was just thinking that actually teaching the commands demanded would do it, w/out slinging on the collar and burning. but, now, it's right there for everyone.

thanks, and i'll go back to the cheap seats....gator

I heard a guy say the other morning that he wanted to take his dog hunting and shoot some ducks over it so he could get some retrieving training....and then I heard him say that if the dog didn't that he was going to shock the sh** out of it... STUPID STUPID STUPID!!!!!

FWIW, I'm with Gator and Bill, teach heel. You don't necessarily need a colar to do that. I didn't. I have no doubt that, used properly, it would be better. I doubt you or I would use it properly, quite frankly, and I don't even know you.

You should also be very consistent with the heel. But, you might say, the dog needs to play and have fun. True, but you need to decide when it is time for play and when it is time to train or hunt. The dog can not make that decision and get it right.

So, you have to be able to tell the dog when it is ok to play. And when you say here! or heeeeeel, you must mean it and the dog has to know you mean it. That is called consistency. The dog has to know what to expect. That is only fair.

You need a command to tell the dog when it is ok to play. I use "let's play" and I turn my palms up and sweep my arm forward. I believe one should also have a command to tell the dog to shake (we ain't mastered this yet) . . . and to tell the dog to drink . . . . and to tell the dog to use the bathroom . . . and get in the truck or kennel or boat . . . and to ride a ATV ("let's ride"). Basically you have told the dog to either sit or heel or lay(Ipersonally dont think "lay down" should be taught until very late in training, cause I did it very early and it can cause problems), so you need a command to tell him when to do something, whatever YOU decide, after that.

The choke collar in the beginning works good for heel. If he or she still puls on the lead, go back to a choike collar.

The most effective heeling tool, IMO, is a stick or crop. If you don't want to pay $20 online, go to the co-op.