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i have a year and a half old female very energetic and has a ton of drive in her. she knows the basics well but will not fully obey unless i have the collar on her or if she is wearing the dummy collar. is there any suggestions that you have to brake her of this. she is collar smart and i have tried letting her where the dummy collar day and night. when the collars are on she is golden when they are off its half booty. and i dont wont her to half to wear the dummy collar all the time.

You just described my choc to a tee. I did it myself though, bringing in the collar conditioning too late in the training. I don't know what to tell you, tried several things that never worked. Once they get used to being "independent" without the collar for so long it's hard to break, mine is 2.5 yrs old and is a perfect example of jekyl and hyde.

Not enough specifics to begin to answer the question. How far are you in the training. Basically, what can your dog do at this point with the collar on it.

anything but hand signals. which im not worried about and not gonna do. but she will sit stay, mark, and fetch when i tell her.

i have a 7 yr old male with hunt test titles. sometimes you have purposely
set your dog up to fail with out the collar while he or she is close to you. then you have to personally loose it with the dog tackle him, grab him tight, get in his face what ever it takes, and some times this reminds the dog who is control. you are, not the collar.[/b]

I wouldnt suggest TRYING to get the dog to fail. Maybe in some cases but not this one. The key to this will be not giving the dog chance to fail. You aint gotta hit a dog to make it know u in charge, or tackle it, or whatever. If you are smart about it and correct the dog when he does mess up, then it should not be too big of a deal. You HAVE to make sure that you are in a position to correct the dog. IE not when the sombitch is already 100 yards away. Praise the dog when it does it right, and the problem should go away.

is it a chocolate?

WTF does that matter.

SINGLE BARREL wrote:is it a chocolate?

I read some interesting information the other day on chocolate or liver colored pups. The recessive gene goes back to the original gene pool managed in England, that was quite small. The negative characteristics attributed to color are in a sense false when one consideres the depth of genetics available at the time. There were only a very few dogs being held in breeding stock kennels at the time. And, the recessive 'liver' color was there. In a sense, all of the dogs we have today sprang from a well tainted with color. However, that being said, the liver color has not been managed as aggressively, and the breeding has been more careless over time as the density of the gene pool expanded. But, given the total expansion of the gene pool over the last sixty years, I would be willing to say that any effect of poorly managed breeding in 'liver dogs' is now a wash among all colors as almost all colors have been bred by so many people with no true interest in distinguishing certain characterstics in the stock. I know plenty of people with black dogs that are never going to retrieve anything. And, despite their best efforts their dogs still piss on the chair legs. Given this, randomly selecting from the entire American gene pool at this time would probably produce a nill effect for negative characteristics by color, IMO. However, among the purist stock (HRC, FC) , you may still find a statisical difference, but that would be among a tightly held and controlled stock, and certainly for statistical purposes irrelevant in establishing a correlation between 'liver' color and probable behavior in the breed as a whole. It is logically like saying War Eagle is the best boat afield where it is also the only boat afield. The condition of selection precludes relevant options.

JMO.

Good post. I love me a choc dog.

Ask most trainers. There is some thing negative about a chocolate. Most were bred for looks rather than ability. Think about it.

Whats wrong with using the collar on the dog when you want it to act right, Hayes? When you're hunting leave the collar on. No biggie. Lots of dogs are Jekyll and Hyde with the collar on/off.

Dog's eye, you should change your name to "Spock".

Sugestion; Move this to the doggie fourm and mo people may answer!!!

look in to positive renforcement while training your dog. Clicker training and pieces of hotdog work wonders if you have the time. This method takes time. 5 min everyday goes a long way though.

you should try posting this kind of stuff on gun dog forum....you would probably get more advise and less crap.