Curious, if the storm Saturday interrupted the Pin Oak HT. Hope everything went ok.
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did the storm get to the Pin Oak HT?
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did the storm get to the Pin Oak HT?
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A tornado touched down in dumas arkansas, which was like 14-20 miles from where we where at. We stopped saturdays afternoon tests several times for lighting. But when they said a tornado was on the way, we bugged out. My flight had 9 left to run on sunday morning, steves flight had like 10. We finished up about the same time, and started sundays water test we judged together. The wind had shifted and made the test from the day before inaaporiate. So steve and I moved the line and set up a new test.... I don't think many people will want us to judge together again! bwhahahahaha. It was coupled with a fantastic land test I belive dana g was responible for, and if you came out of those 2 series without a handle you have a DOG. travis
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Always fair.... never been accused of not being fair, and Ive been accused of everything else!
If you put enough test in front of the dogs, dogs either do it, or they dont. Its very cut and dried. You become a scorekeeper, instead of a judge. I dont have to pass or fail dogs, because they do it themselves. With a cheese test, you have to start whittleing away, or with a test over the top, you have to give things away... neither is any fun to judge. When people run your tests, and they have to think about what just happened, and pass or fail they had fun, you've done a good job. travis
If you put enough test in front of the dogs, dogs either do it, or they dont. Its very cut and dried. You become a scorekeeper, instead of a judge. I dont have to pass or fail dogs, because they do it themselves. With a cheese test, you have to start whittleing away, or with a test over the top, you have to give things away... neither is any fun to judge. When people run your tests, and they have to think about what just happened, and pass or fail they had fun, you've done a good job. travis
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Amen to that, brother.. I failed, but I had a great time. It was a good test and completey fair. The wind played hell with a bunch of dogs, mine included. This was our first finished test, had a no bird, and on the rerun had a gun jam. Dog went to where the blind had been planted instead of the memory bird ( where most dogs had a problem), ended up blowing up and I picked her up. Steve and Travis asked me If I wanted to run test dog on the land test, and she did really well. So now, Travis & Steve, how about some hints on getting reliable over casts into a really strong wind? Post up some really good advice and maybe I can get over there on the training day and get some hands-on help!
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Overs in the wind are easy.... train in the wind!
Establish a set of known blinds (pattern blinds, permanet blinds, whutever you want to call them). Recognize the direction so you'll know when the winds are right. If its calling for 30 mph winds out of the south, go run your permant blinds that are effected by it. The more black and white you make anything for a dog, the clearer the lesson. Wanna teach fighting the wind, and takeing an over into the wind then the black and white way is to run a permant blind (the destnation is not a factor because the dog knows the blind) with an extreme wind. If the dog normally lines or 1 or 2 whsitles these blinds, he'll take the casts he needs to get to the bird, even with a crosswind. Repetetion will see him shoulder the wind, in fact a lot of dogs that are really, really trying, will overcompensate for the wind fade. Distance increases the effects in a linear way, so that fade thats handy to be downwind at 75 yards, is now a killer and has him going to a bad place at 150, and lost at 250. And anyone that thinks 250 yard sailers in a 30mph wind in an arkansas ricefield hunt isnt common, must hunt with guys that are better shots than my bunch! of course these blinds dont have to be just for this purpose, they can be blinds you already have established to teach any other factors, old falls, gun stations, cover, terrain, whatever other factors you used to teach them. Ive used the same 3 pattern blinds as the first blinds all my dogs have ever run, and every single factor was introduced to my dogs on those blinds. My old dog can go a year without being in that field, but he'll line all 3 of them no matter what happens in the way of factors.
Steve put some pictures of the test on waterdog. http://p066.ezboard.com/fonlinelabsfrm1 ... 2671.topic
That test was designed to see control, and marking and memory. We didnt want handlers sending from the waters edge on purpose, because it made for a more true 'blind' scenario... if your dog shot out straight, or a little to left (like 90% of them did), the first cast shudda been an over. A couple backs then an over was trouble. By running the blind first, it kept the scent of the blind from interfering with the test, and it gave dogs that didnt remember the first mark down a place to go... they either went there, or too the go bird... clearly showing they didnt remember the first bird down. Some people recognized that and handled immedately... some people sat and watched and hoped for the best. You cant let a dog run 100 yards in the wrong direction, and then hope you can handle from there in a 30 mph crosswind. Many handlers saved their test by recognizing what there dog was telling them when he came back and lined up for the last bird down.... many handlers didnt, and they where sorry about 45 seconds later. Everydog that came back and lined up for that mark, you could look at from my chair, and tell if he remembered that bird... and if he didnt, he had 2 REALLY enticing places to go. The second bird, the short splasher, was supposed to splash, adds to the effect of the bird, and means everydog wanted it second. Again, on purpose to see if dogs really remembered there was 3 marks. A real marking series on water is rare on a finished test, and thats a shame really. 3 birds placed randomly in a field rarely result in a good marking test... placement and order are huge. Shoot that same triple short left, middle, and right, and its completely different test... cause the dogs that dont remember the middle bird would fade with the wind and pick it up... rewarding dogs that didnt mark, and arent trained to deal with the weather. Shoot that same triple right, middle, left, and you've got a wipeout situation causing a problem for some dogs on the middle, and then you dont have a fair chance to evaulate memory on the right bird. Remove the winger blind from sight on the right bird, shoot it from a totally hidden location on that right bank, and we'd still be in that field trying to round up dogs! bwhahahaha. travis
Establish a set of known blinds (pattern blinds, permanet blinds, whutever you want to call them). Recognize the direction so you'll know when the winds are right. If its calling for 30 mph winds out of the south, go run your permant blinds that are effected by it. The more black and white you make anything for a dog, the clearer the lesson. Wanna teach fighting the wind, and takeing an over into the wind then the black and white way is to run a permant blind (the destnation is not a factor because the dog knows the blind) with an extreme wind. If the dog normally lines or 1 or 2 whsitles these blinds, he'll take the casts he needs to get to the bird, even with a crosswind. Repetetion will see him shoulder the wind, in fact a lot of dogs that are really, really trying, will overcompensate for the wind fade. Distance increases the effects in a linear way, so that fade thats handy to be downwind at 75 yards, is now a killer and has him going to a bad place at 150, and lost at 250. And anyone that thinks 250 yard sailers in a 30mph wind in an arkansas ricefield hunt isnt common, must hunt with guys that are better shots than my bunch! of course these blinds dont have to be just for this purpose, they can be blinds you already have established to teach any other factors, old falls, gun stations, cover, terrain, whatever other factors you used to teach them. Ive used the same 3 pattern blinds as the first blinds all my dogs have ever run, and every single factor was introduced to my dogs on those blinds. My old dog can go a year without being in that field, but he'll line all 3 of them no matter what happens in the way of factors.
Steve put some pictures of the test on waterdog. http://p066.ezboard.com/fonlinelabsfrm1 ... 2671.topic
That test was designed to see control, and marking and memory. We didnt want handlers sending from the waters edge on purpose, because it made for a more true 'blind' scenario... if your dog shot out straight, or a little to left (like 90% of them did), the first cast shudda been an over. A couple backs then an over was trouble. By running the blind first, it kept the scent of the blind from interfering with the test, and it gave dogs that didnt remember the first mark down a place to go... they either went there, or too the go bird... clearly showing they didnt remember the first bird down. Some people recognized that and handled immedately... some people sat and watched and hoped for the best. You cant let a dog run 100 yards in the wrong direction, and then hope you can handle from there in a 30 mph crosswind. Many handlers saved their test by recognizing what there dog was telling them when he came back and lined up for the last bird down.... many handlers didnt, and they where sorry about 45 seconds later. Everydog that came back and lined up for that mark, you could look at from my chair, and tell if he remembered that bird... and if he didnt, he had 2 REALLY enticing places to go. The second bird, the short splasher, was supposed to splash, adds to the effect of the bird, and means everydog wanted it second. Again, on purpose to see if dogs really remembered there was 3 marks. A real marking series on water is rare on a finished test, and thats a shame really. 3 birds placed randomly in a field rarely result in a good marking test... placement and order are huge. Shoot that same triple short left, middle, and right, and its completely different test... cause the dogs that dont remember the middle bird would fade with the wind and pick it up... rewarding dogs that didnt mark, and arent trained to deal with the weather. Shoot that same triple right, middle, left, and you've got a wipeout situation causing a problem for some dogs on the middle, and then you dont have a fair chance to evaulate memory on the right bird. Remove the winger blind from sight on the right bird, shoot it from a totally hidden location on that right bank, and we'd still be in that field trying to round up dogs! bwhahahaha. travis
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