Where the Ducks really are

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Where the Ducks really are

Postby tunica du4u » Tue Jan 21, 2003 3:34 pm

Just received this email and wanted to share it to dispel some of the BS that's floating around that some people are actually believing. It came from a biologist first hand not some one's cousin's boyfriend's second cousins neighbor.

"I just spoke with Spencer Vaa, Waterfowl Biologist for state of South Dakota. He characterized the number of birds that will be tallied on their MidWinter Survey as "above average". He hasn't finalized this year's Mid-Winter, but the Missouri River survey info on their website showed 169,000 birds in the first week or so of January.

To put that in perspective, and again to show how winter weather influences these birds consider these numbers he gave me:

2003: Ducks not summed, but at least = 169,000, Canada Geese =400,000

2002: 108,000 ducks, 251,000 geese
2001: 27,500 ducks, 177,000 geese
2000: 163,000 ducks, 328,000 geese
1999: 53,000 ducks, 157,000 geese
1998: 531,000 ducks, 200,000 geese
1997: 22,000 ducks, 47,000 geese
1996: 81,000 ducks, 292,000 geese
1995: 40,000 ducks, 200,000+ geese

When winter sets in up there, only a few of the hardiest birds remain in places where open water exists. When winters are mild, it's apparent that lots of birds sit tight up there. That 1998 number seems out of place....but may have been that strongest of El Nino winters...I can't remember. Nonetheless...you get the picture....the number of birds counted there is related directly to winter severity. That pattern is true for the Midwest and mid-latitude states as well. On a final note, Spencer Vaa told he a friend of his was ice fishing this weekend and still seeing mallards flying around....so despite the onset of some decent cold weather....those birds are probably reluctant to leave...and there still isn't much in the way of snow up there."
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Postby SoftCall » Tue Jan 21, 2003 5:00 pm

Great post - sounds logical to me. This weekend's cold blast sent new birds our way. Again it was here today - gone tomorrow. After two fairly productive days, southerly winds prevailed and the numbers were down again. Hopefully this Thursday and Friday will be enough to set the last weekend up with good conditions and more new birds. Good luck everyone!
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Postby Nitro Mag » Tue Jan 21, 2003 6:40 pm

I hunted yesterday and saw the most ducks I have seen in one place all season. Some holes that haven't had ducks in a week or so started getting some ducks in them around noon today. Maybe we can have a good finish to this season.
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Postby FARMDUX » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:38 pm

there definitly has been a hard push of birds the last two days, but of course now its going to freeze up. BIG MUDDY BOUND
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Great post!

Postby Gann » Tue Jan 21, 2003 8:44 pm

Hey Tunica, Thanks for the post. Everyone is twited up about a bad season and it makes people say crazy things. I don't know why people have to put blame on an organization or group for "shortstopping ducks" when in reality the weather is 99 percent responsible for duck migration. Thanks again and take care!
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Postby tunica du4u » Thu Jan 23, 2003 11:37 am

Must be some truth to it as I have really seen the ducks the last 2-3 days. Saw must have been 10,000 mallards on 1 field, been hunting a hole the last few days where there are thousands of pintails mixed in with hundreds of mallards & gadwalls. Just stopped by to check mail and just about everything is locked up right now but the open water is full. Took 6 of us 30 minutes to limit yesterday & 5 of us 45 minutes today. Killed snows & specks with the ducks also. I'm fixing to shut it down & hunt till Sunday. Good Luck 8)
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Postby SoftCall » Thu Jan 23, 2003 11:58 am

that's funny TDU4U - the same thing happened to me - I starting seeing more ducks after it froze up last weekend.....hmmmm - wonder why! :wink:

They were not decoy shy and they were not call shy.
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Postby mallardchaser » Thu Jan 23, 2003 2:12 pm

I still think the duck numbers are way down...All you cold weather folks, you must admit the numbers are down, it's not all the lack of cold air and snow. I read somewhere earlier in the year the gaddies were down 19-22%, I agree. I haven't seen near the gadwalls this year, anyone else.

I hope we get a push this weekend, but I'm still not looking for the "motherload."
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Gann, sent you a PM

Postby billjohnson » Thu Jan 23, 2003 2:22 pm

Concur with all of these comments. Going to IL on a goose hunt next week. Guys telling me that they are seeing plenty of mallard up there still.
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Postby SoftCall » Thu Jan 23, 2003 4:58 pm

Mallardchaser - we had this same conversation this AM in the blind. This is turning into a "tastes great - less filling" argument. :D OK - the population is down 20% on those gaddies - I'll agree the pop is probably down somewhat but not to the extreme that some folks are starting to think (IMO). The question is are you seeing 20% less gaddies than you did two seasons ago? No - you are seeing 80% less gaddies. One of two things may be going on here....the ducks haven't shown up in the mass numbers because the snow cover ends in Southern Ill, or some giant black hole has sucked up all of the ducks into some void.

If it's the second answer, I'll by you a friggin truck load of that great beer you love so much :lol: :lol: :lol: If I am right, you owe me another hunt on that great spot :wink:
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Postby mallardchaser » Thu Jan 23, 2003 7:58 pm

Tastes great!

I'm going with the black hole theory.

You have any ice scates I can use in the am?
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Postby SoftCall » Thu Jan 23, 2003 10:31 pm

no but you can borrow my maul to bust that ice with :lol:
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