What's it gonna take...(make your blood boil)

[Bullet]

before there is some change in this country. I personally dont think it will ever turn around, too far gone

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100909/ap_ ... osque_imam

[peewee]

Well anger them ragheads then. Everything we stand for angers Muslims, I for one don't want to change my life for their religion. I found it amusing that Muslims have the RIGHT to build a mosque on top of the WTC (according to Obama) but a pastor who has the right shouldn't burn the Quran. Screw I hope he burns them.

[ACEINTHEHOLE]

"Pastor" burning Korans is an idiot. While he is busy doing stupid stuff that has absolutely no eternal significance, and will bring no one to Christ, the local Muslims are busy running a food bank for the homeless in that area. Is it any wonder that Christianity is no longer the fastest growing religon. We are so busy doing nothing that we have no time to reach the world for Christ. Until Christians develop a COMMITMENT to loving others our country will be in a mess.

[farmerc83]

It's just like a few years ago when the naked pictures of the prisoners were released and the doon coons go posting a video of chopping off a US contractors head....like thats even Rational thinking isn't exactly the Talibans strong suit, tho. The same Christians that we acknowledge as the "Greatest Generation" had a commitment to loving others, but they also had a commitment to kicking booty when it needed doing and not letting anyone else tell us how hard, fast or long to kick. Thats our problem now. Who cares what France or Germany thinks? We saved one from the other twice then stepped in Vietnam when the French, once again, couldn't stand up for themselves.

[peewee]

"Pastor" burning Korans is an idiot. While he is busy doing stupid stuff that has absolutely no eternal significance, and will bring no one to Christ, the local Muslims are busy running a food bank for the homeless in that area. Is it any wonder that Christianity is no longer the fastest growing religon. We are so busy doing nothing that we have no time to reach the world for Christ. Until Christians develop a COMMITMENT to loving others our country will be in a mess.

I wonder why Christian food banks in the Gainsville area are getting no media attention, like the Angel Food Distribution or the Gainsville Salvation Army Food Bank. A quick google search and the list goes on and on. I think the "We are so busy doing nothing that we have no time to reach the world for Christ." is a wash. I know it is not true at Bowmar Baptist in Vicksburg and if one feels they are at a Church where they are not doing anything to help neighbors it your choice to stay at that location. Your always free to move and join a group that does reach out.

[ACEINTHEHOLE]

Pewee, look at the church as a whole, not just your church and you can not argue that the church as it is now is not effective in reaching the lost. I am a full time youth pastor and see it every single day. Christians are content with going to church a couple times a week and feel that is enough.

"Why do you suppose that there are close to 100 million church members in America yet they are not making more of a moral and spiritual impact? Why is it that on Sunday morning thousands of churches have more empty pews than full? Why is it that the average Sunday School in America has less than 66 in attendance adn that the average worship service has 84? Why is it that only 50% of the number on any membership roll can be expected to attend? If Christians really beleive in a real heaven and a real Hell, how can we be so silent?...The answer to all of these questions is tragically simple! Gods people have made a decision about Jesus...but have never made a commitment to him" -Charles Stanley

Go do a survey of everyone at your church or any other church and ask the members how many of them have told someone about Christ in the last year. i think you will be suprised. I am by no means defending anyone the muslims or the pastor, but idiots like him sure hurt the churches that really are trying to reach the lost.

[fireplug]

I'm torn on the whole burning the quarn thing. If someone gave me a quaran, I probably would use it for toilet paper, but
I wouldn't make a public spectical of it. This "pastor" needs Jesus in my opinion. This guy gives true Christians a bad name.
If he is doing it just to spite the muslims and piss them off that's fine and dandy, but don't do it while representing the church
or as a pastor. Christ would turn the other cheek. I think this pastor will go through with the burning, but I think he should resign
or that church should fire him immediately...... If there were any true Christians in it. A true Christian wouldn't be any part of what
this guy is doing. Just my $0.02. This pastor is a clown.

[Bankermane]

I'm for letting them build their mosque where ever they want to. Then run a plane into it.

[MemphisStockBroker]

I think we should all just love each other, and never offend anyone. I know that is what our forefathers did. They never had a tea party, or told England to K.M.A.... Its ok that they burn our flag, and video tape themselves cutting off the heads of our soldiers - that they consider dogs.... and its ok that they put that on the internet. But it would be awful if we offended them.

And I am positive that there is nothing in the Bible about violence, or offending other peoples.
I am sure that God never told the Jewish people in the Old Testament to go into another country and cut off all of their heads, and burn everything to the ground.

We really dont need to be real men and stand up for what we believe. We need to tolerate everyone and everything, and wear our panties....

[DukGrl]

How is burning a whole bunch of Korans standing up for what you believe in or standing up for your rights or showing Muslims that they don't run America?

I don't think it counts as standing up for your rights if you have to trample all over someone else's to get there.

And in America, Muslims do have a right to have Korans. And as a Christian, a Muslim having/reading/believing in the Koran does not step on your rights.

I think you are stepping on YOUR OWN rights/responsibilities as a Christian if you burn Korans. You have the right to love your neighbor. To show truth through love. To be strong and get angry and stand up against laws that force you to go against God's word. But you don't have the right to be a jerk. As an American, maybe. As a Christian, no. So which do you identify with first - Christian or American? Cause see, those aren't the same thing.

Nope. I'm not for letting Muslims take over America. But don't you see? It is the agnostics/atheists/apathetic that are crying in America that Christians offend them and pushing Christian morals and practices and even ethics under the bus - not Muslims in America.

I'm fine to call this guy an idiot and let him burn away - he has a right to do what he wants. Iraq wouldn't even know about it if it wasn't for media frenzy. But as a Christian and American, I don't identify with any of that.

[Deep Woods]

Luke 11:23 He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.

He is speaking against indifferent men, and such ones that love to have a compromise, who seek means to reconcile Christ and Satan together. Which is what so many are doing today.

Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

What if David had never killed Goliath (the enemy)? And what did David ask all the "cowards" that would not stand and fight against the "enemy" Goliath... 1Samuel 17:29 And David said, What have I now done? Is there not a cause?

Well is there not a cause today?

What if David had not fought against the Philistines?

What if JESUS had not fought for what was right and just?
Do you even know what just means?....
JUST - conforming to a standard of correctness : PROPER : acting or being in conformity with what is morally upright or good : RIGHTEOUS (a just war)

What if JESUS had not exposed the sins of the people in HIS day?

Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Revelation 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.


When are people going to stop being so deceived by the devil and learn that GOD has enemies and it is time war against the enemies of GOD. Why do you think we are refered to as soldiers? Why are we told to put on the whole armor of GOD?
I guess you think you can convert satan and his workers by loving him..get real!!!! GOD Himself could not keep him in Heaven and here you people are thinking you can save or convert the devils workers..WAKE UP!!! Have you ever read the Bible? Have you ever read in the Scriptures where we are to fight evil and the devil?
Have you ever read any Scripture other than what makes you feel good about the sin you live in?

People better start fighting for what is right and just and learn to discern that not all humans are going to be saved, alot of humans are workers of the devil and are going to do anyhting they can to destroy the righteous and just.....Hello!!! these people are the muslims,buddahist, etc and anyone else that does not serve the One True GOD.

Here's some Scripture for you...ya know the part where GOD commanded Saul to "utterly destroy all" the Amalekites

Deuteronomy 25:17 Remember what Amalek did unto thee by the way, when ye were come forth out of Egypt;
Deuteronomy 25:18 How he met thee by the way, and smote the hindmost of thee, even all that were feeble behind thee, when thou wast faint and weary; and he feared not God.
Deuteronomy 25:19 Therefore it shall be, when the LORD thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget it.

1Samuel 15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

Saul went and destroyed the Amalekites..but he did not do exactly as GOD commanded.

1Samuel 15:8 And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.
1Samuel 15:9 But Saul and the people spared Agag, and the best of the sheep, and of the oxen, and of the fatlings, and the lambs, and all that was good, and would not utterly destroy them: but every thing that was vile and refuse, that they destroyed utterly.

1Samuel 15:11 It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night.
1Samuel 15:13 And Samuel came to Saul: and Saul said unto him, Blessed be thou of the LORD: I have performed the commandment of the LORD.
1Samuel 15:14 And Samuel said, What meaneth then this bleating of the sheep in mine ears, and the lowing of the oxen which I hear?
1Samuel 15:15 And Saul said, They have brought them from the Amalekites: for the people spared the best of the sheep and of the oxen, to sacrifice unto the LORD thy God; and the rest we have utterly destroyed.
1Samuel 15:16 Then Samuel said unto Saul, Stay, and I will tell thee what the LORD hath said to me this night. And he said unto him, Say on.
1Samuel 15:17 And Samuel said, When thou wast little in thine own sight, wast thou not made the head of the tribes of Israel, and the LORD anointed thee king over Israel?
1Samuel 15:18 And the LORD sent thee on a journey, and said, Go and utterly destroy the sinners the Amalekites, and fight against them until they be consumed.
1Samuel 15:19 Wherefore then didst thou not obey the voice of the LORD, but didst fly upon the spoil, and didst evil in the sight of the LORD?
1Samuel 15:20 And Saul said unto Samuel, Yea, I have obeyed the voice of the LORD, and have gone the way which the LORD sent me, and have brought Agag the king of Amalek, and have utterly destroyed the Amalekites.
1Samuel 15:21 But the people took of the spoil, sheep and oxen, the chief of the things which should have been utterly destroyed, to sacrifice unto the LORD thy God in Gilgal.
1Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
1Samuel 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
1Samuel 15:24 And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.

Then make sure you read further on in this chapter to find out what GOD did to Saul because of his disobedience.

1Samuel 15:35 And Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death: nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul: and the LORD repented that he had made Saul king over Israel.

Defeat and fear of man is not of GOD....If you are not for GOD and HIS ways of righteousness..you are against HIM and HIS ways!

[RDB]

This is America ....I'll do whatever I want as long as its in the confines of the law and I don't care who's feelings I hurt. Plain and simple. Being passive is what has got this country in the shape its in now.

Separation of Church and State ...Take religion out of the equation. It's his First Amendment Right. End of story.

[peewee]

[QUOTE:]
Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Revelation 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
[/i][QUOTE]


This is how I picture the Lord. This is an awesome description of Jesus that should send fear unto all men.

[fireplug]

I refer back to my original post. If this guy wants to burn quarans then by all means light them up. I'll send him some gas to pour on
them myself, but I think it is completely WRONG for this guy to do it in the capacity of a pastor of a "Christian" church and to do it in
the name of what he calls Christianity. I'm 100 percent ready to go to battle with my lord and savior, but this guy is just trying to get
his 15 minutes of fame. He is an Idiot and a booty Clown. Plain and simple. I'm not against him buring the quarans, on the
contrary I'm all for him lighting them up, but just not doing it in the Christian name.

I may be wrong, Jesus him self may have jumped up and down screaming blastphemy and burned one himself, but I think he would have made
his point in another way without all the hooplah involved. He was much smarter than that. He is the deity (sp?) He didn't need to burn books
and I think we should live by his example. Yeah Jesus will come back wearing his crowns and carrying the sword of rightousness and we will go
to war, but that is a spiritual war and we haven't gotten to that point yet. How many literal armed combat battles does scripture say Jesus fought
in? 0 Jesus fought many battles, but he didn't do it with a sword, he did it with the gospel. I think this pastor needs to hear some true gospel as well as the devil muslims.

[Deep Woods]

Lets look at the ones that are against this kuran burning the most...It's the liberals, the evil people that back and promote homosexuality, abortion, and any other immoral act or thing that they can. It's the ones that are pushing their own immoral agenda and ideas. It’s the people that profess to be Christians but they live like the devil and do the devils work and stand in agreement with those that promote the immorality and sin of the “world”…. Which is without doubt contrary to GOD according to His Scripture.
Some people worry about what kind of image this guy is making for Christians...while they, although professing to be a Christian are themselves as evil as the devil himself...all you have to do is look at their life...cussing, drinking, cheating others in business, covetous, attending worldly events (sporting events, nascar, etc.) banquets & parties, keeping worldly companions, living just like the world....yet they don't seem to see that they are the very ones that are being stumbling blocks to others too.

1John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
and walk in darkness. - Live in sin and error. To "walk in darkness" now commonly denotes to be in doubt about our religious state, in contradistinction from living in the enjoyment of religion. That is not, however, the whole idea here. The leading thought is, that if we live in sin, it is a proof that our profession of religion is false.
we lie. - We are false professors; we are deceived if we think that we can have fellowship with God, and yet live in the practice of sin. As God is pure, so must we be, if we would be his friends.
If one professes to walk according to the light of the Gospel, and continues to live in sin, he is lying to God and men. He denies by action what he professed publicly before many witnesses.

Matthew 23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Our Lord spoke very severely, but faithfulness required such language as
this. A good surgeon cuts deep; so did Jesus. Our modern preachers would
not talk like this, even to scribes and Pharisees who were crucifying Christ
afresh, and putting him to an open shame. He is not the most loving who
speaks the smoothest words; true love often compels an honest man to say
that which pains him far more than it affects his callous hearers. - Charles Spurgeon

We are not to make this world the object of our chief affection; we are not to be influenced by the maxims and feelings which prevail among those who do.

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

1John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

1Corinthians 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
It is in vain that you who frequent these idol festivals profess the religion of Christ, and commemorate his death and passion in the holy eucharist; for you can not have that fellowship with Christ which this ordinance implies, while you are partakers of the table of demons. – Adam Clark

2Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

Ephesians 5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

Who do you think is going to go to battle for the Lord?

Matthew 22:7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.

and he sent forth his armies--The Romans are here styled God's armies, just as the Assyrian is styled "the rod of His anger" (Isaiah 10:5 O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation), as being the executors of His judicial vengeance. God was about to send forth the armies of the Romans under his providential direction, and to burn up their city. This points out in the plainest terms the Roman armies, under Vespasian and Titus, which, not many years after this was spoken, besieged Jerusalem, and destroyed the city, with an immense number of its inhabitants. This terrible devastation our Lord here predicts in general terms and represents, as the judgment of God on this perverse and obstinate people, for their rejection of the Christian religion, their savage treatment of the Apostles and their associates, and their many other atrocious crimes. The Roman armies were employed of God for that purpose.